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Largs Yacht haven have already put a notice up telling everyone to fill up before the 1st November. Fuel is currently 0.85p per litre but is going to be £1.26 per litre after this date with a 60/40 split.I asked if there is going to be any concessions for commercial vessels,the director told me they have written to HM customs to see what they define as commercial as they felt that any boats coded for charter or training are still being used for pleasure. they thought that it will be only ships and fishing boats that will benefit from the lower duty. We will have to see
 
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That equates to £1.09 per litre, a bit more than it should be IMO, but it could have been worse.

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worse, meaning full duty, but then we would all cry out for a nice clean supply of low sulphur white diesel! and when the government of the day drag it up to the same price, and they will,I for one want the same bug free fuel I put in my car.
 
We actually have two completely seperate Ersbspatchers (or whatever) on our boat. One forward and one aft.

Do you think I will get away with claiming 80% for heating?

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In years to come you will be complaining about the loss of the old fuel pump friendly 1000/500 ppm fuels.

The HMRC have adopted a very fair approach to the derogation, however there are unresolved issues.

We were due to go 50ppm for non road fuel in November this year. However the EC introduced a further enabling directive effectively cancelled the transition to 50 ppm and called for 10ppm in line with the U.S. This was due to become EC law in November 2009. However the enabling directive carried some other very controversial emissions stuff. There are EC elections coming up and I doubt if the legislation will be fail.

Tier III becomes law in 2015 therefore the EC will HAVE to have something in place by 2015 which the Tier III engines require which will end probably up with a max of 20 ppm at the pump.

However we all have a major problem with of European neighbors. Our pragmatic HMRC approach has not pleased the French in particular. To Europeans means duty paid, red means duty not paid. Fill up with a nice 60/40 duty paid red and sail for France, you may be cruising for a bruising.

There are serious concerns among marine legislative groups.
 
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In years to come you will be complaining about the loss of the old fuel pump friendly 1000/500 ppm fuels.

The HMRC have adopted a very fair approach to the derogation, however there are unresolved issues.

We were due to go 50ppm for non road fuel in November this year. However the EC introduced a further enabling directive effectively cancelled the transition to 50 ppm and called for 10ppm in line with the U.S. This was due to become EC law in November 2009. However the enabling directive carried some other very controversial emissions stuff. There are EC elections coming up and I doubt if the legislation will be fail.

Tier III becomes law in 2015 therefore the EC will HAVE to have something in place by 2015 which the Tier III engines require which will end probably up with a max of 20 ppm at the pump.

However we all have a major problem with of European neighbors. Our pragmatic HMRC approach has not pleased the French in particular. To Europeans means duty paid, red means duty not paid. Fill up with a nice 60/40 duty paid red and sail for France, you may be cruising for a bruising.

There are serious concerns among marine legislative groups.

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I'm sorry, none of that made sense to me. ppm?
 
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parts per million of what? Sulphur?

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Yes ... but the post is total confusion.

In real terms :

Red is still at BS2869 and that is 0.1 to 0.2% mass Sulphur, with preference for 0.1%. It is due to reduce to come in line with Road which stands at present at 50ppm (parts per million) and usually in reality nearer 10 - 30ppm.... EN 590 specs
EU and other Govts are pressing for Zero / Near Zero Sulphur levels and these should have been enacted, along with 10ppm already - but various problems were not realised by EU legislators. Basically supply wouldn't keep up with demand. We now have a varied tier system in EU where certain near neighbour countries have ignored the directive.

Now we see the following (quote from the trade news I receive each day ....) :

The European Union is struggling to set coherent policies on energy and the environment. With EU biofuels legislation in disarray after the European Parliament voted in September to slash proposed targets for biofuel use, the European Commission is now sending out conflicting messages on reducing emissions from passenger vehicles. The commission's Industry Committee recently voted to give automakers an extra three years to prepare for the introduction of CO2 emission limits for cars, but the commission's Environment Committee has now rejected that stance, reinstating the original 2012 deadline. It will be weeks before a clearer picture emerges. There will be a European Parliament vote in October, after which EU member governments will have their say. All this undermines the very goal the EU is trying to attain. Car manufacturers -- much like oil companies and biofuels producers -- are unlikely to make the investments needed to comply with new standards while uncertainty over the nature and timing of those standards persists.

For myself involved in the blending and supply subject to this ludicrous EU bunch of twits - it is mind screwingly stupid.

As you see from the above paste - not only is the emissions / vs Quality situation daft - but the Biofuel revoloution is "burning itself out". Not before time as well.
 
Yes I agree,

The biofuel revolution has burned out thank god. Lets not confuse on road and off road legislation no direct correlation between the two.

The UK went ahead of the rest of Europe by a year on the introduction of 50ppm road fuel as a political statement. Big mistake, the refineries did not have their act together, Ford and Mercedes suffered catastrophic pump failures until the additive was resolved, which took about a year, a lot of unhappy customers in between.

We ignore EU legislation at our peril, ridiculous we may think we have to comply, bah hum bug or not.

I was giving the heads up that life as we know it will change regardless of of all the rather silly comments. And the EU has not yet accepted our current 'solution'. Watch this space.

We were talking of 10 ppm at the refineries by 2009 for off road, now unlikely as the EC is in a voting year. However 2015 is an absolute requirement for Tier III, cannot be done without. Sweden is already switching to zero sulphur, 5 ppm.

Just a reality check for the bah humbug brigade, a good example is the CAV DPA fuel pump really struggles at 50 ppm, anything less and it will not work at all. So all your Perkins 6.354's they are scrap. Will start up fine cold, hot restart forget it. Unless you pour a bucket of cold water over the pump engine it will not start at all.

Your Bosch rotary fuel pump unless it has the 'Light fuel pack' you could be in trouble, luckily Volvo was ahead of the game on and were demanding the LFP out of Bosch. Inline pumps are far less sensitive.

What has been ignored by everybody is the European position on our typically British compromise, they do not accept it, there lies the problem. Good luck cruising in France next year.
 
Sorry but I cannot agree completely as I blend fuels for all over EU .... and in fact France often takes high sulphur stock for various uses - not only industrial. Witness FOD40 / FOD49 blends.
Not so long ago France released a large volume of Gasoil into general market that was way above EU spec sulphur.

UK is ahead and only one that seems to keep to EU rubbish. Others seem to pick and choose.

The part about low sulphur for old engines - I have to disagree as I pump thousands of litres of additives into all sorts of diesels to make up for lubricity issues. I myself use my own blend of fuel and have done for some time in my Perkins 4-107. I also use it in my Merc. 814 truck, supply friends with old and new cars.

There are plenty of people out there that use Road Diesel in their boat engines believing they are doing them a favour, some have done for years.

The biggest problem was not the lack of sulphur - that was addressed long ago and in fact it's not just the sulphur. The washing out process for reduction of sulphur reduces various components that constitute the lubrication quality - we put that back at great expense.... the biggest problem is incompatability of seals and pumps with any organic based fuels - Biofuels.

With the UK following the implementation guidelines - Refineries as you say couldn't keep up. We were happily blending about 150,000 MT of Road 50ppm diesel a month and then with the 10ppm req't - we struggled to get supply - it's still not back up to demand levels. (these figures are without other fuels / specs we blend .... )

The EU and in particular UK specs are hard to achieve and causing problems.
 
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