Red Diesel saga

[boiow]

That's the problem! Rupert Murdoch has poured so much capitalist bile against the E U in the Times, Mail and Sun that ordinary people have been brainwashed so that a balanced objective view is very hard to obtain. I seriously fear that if we leave the E U we will end up the 55(?) state of the USA. Murdoch is against all the social legislation that the EU that protects workers and already pensions have been degraded, because firms were given "pension holidays", employment rights withdrawn etc. A lot of the EU regulations are gold plated by our civil service. The U.S. Broke the British Empire during World War 2 and the special relationship is really so we are lap dogs to the U.S.! I'm not sure at this stage how I will vote in the Referendum- I want to see all sides of the argument not one man's prejudice.
On topic, I've been in Ostende for a week with red diesel in the tanks and have not seen any officialdom.

It is very simple. There are NO circumstances in which a nation gives up its sovereignty. Any rules and regulations we need we can make ourselves. There is not one good reason to stay in the EU. And we are only poodles to the US because we have hitched our currency to the US $ in the Bretton Woods agreement. That can be changed. But only if we are a self governing nation. Anything less is treason.

 

[awol]

If one swaps Westminster for Brussels and UK for EU in some of the posts above, it would be redolent of recent local discussions up north. Strange that the "Better Together" scare tactics are now being used for separatism.

As for dyed diesel, I and many others really have no choice but luckily FAME free, 35 second gas oil is readily available though a bit more sulphur would be nice.

 

[wizard]

If I go to Belgium with red diesei staining my tank fuel it does not follow that I was using red fuel to get to Belgium. Only that I once had red in the tank. I may have topped up with white before I left UK. I will be able to show receipts ( I have loads from filling my car so how would they know the difference)
The Belgians cannot fine me for using red in the UK ( or can they?)
So if I demonstrated that there was no attempt to use red in Belgium could they fine me?
I can show that i bought white in UK for the trip. I can show that I used it to travel from Belgium. I can show that my spare cans have white in them ready for topping up. I can explain why there is a red tint in my fuel
How would that stand up in a Belgian's mind

That is a very good question and one that I would like an answer to, as removing the tank for steam cleaning or however they do it would mean some serious carpentry apart from all new hoses etc.
I guess that any leeway for the red content to be diluted out over time may well be unavailable after the period of time since all this started.

 

[Concerto]

That is a very good question and one that I would like an answer to, as removing the tank for steam cleaning or however they do it would mean some serious carpentry apart from all new hoses etc.
I guess that any leeway for the red content to be diluted out over time may well be unavailable after the period of time since all this started.

Even if you removed and cleaned the tank, there would still be a small residual amount of red diesel in the engine - some of which will be returned to the tank. So you would also have to ensure the initial return from the engine went to a separate tank for disposal. Only then would you be completely free of red diesel.

The problem is the almost impossibility of removing the red dye. So it is the system that is testing for red dye is wrong. This is where government to government pressure is needed. The Belgium government is morally wrong to pursue this matter as red dye does not indicate that fuel tax has been avoided.

 

[Javelin]

On a regular basis we have customs visit the harbour in one of their vans and dip the tanks of employees cars at the yard.
They test on site and so far we've all behaved ourselves however in conversation they say that if they found a trace above a predetermined level they would prosecute.
Quite what this level is I don't know.
A fine of £500 is apparently typical.

So given that happens here with road vehicles its not a million miles away from the fines the Belgians are imposing based on their pre determined limit, what ever that may be.

 

[Daydream believer]

the question that never seems to have been asked is whether the Belgians can fine us for using red in our own country.
if so, in theory, we are all up for extradition.
If not then it seems to me that the presence of dye in a tank does not mean we have used red fuel for transport in Belgium. Albeit the actual dye ( which could be 1 in a zillion) might be considered as having been used. But then the point, in court, would surely be deemed as petty

 

[Stork_III]

Even if you removed and cleaned the tank, there would still be a small residual amount of red diesel in the engine - some of which will be returned to the tank. So you would also have to ensure the initial return from the engine went to a separate tank for disposal. Only then would you be completely free of red diesel.

The problem is the almost impossibility of removing the red dye. So it is the system that is testing for red dye is wrong. This is where government to government pressure is needed. The Belgium government is morally wrong to pursue this matter as red dye does not indicate that fuel tax has been avoided.

Read post 50 of http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...aken-from-the-MoBo-forum&highlight=red+diesel

Dye reading below level stated is NOT considered RED.

 

[sailorman]

Just back from Oostende
didnt see any officials,on official duty. didnt lodge a shengen form either

 

[JumbleDuck]

People would know if they took the trouble to search the forums before posting questions.
I follow threads to learn new information not to read repeatedly the same old information over and over again.

Since the Belgian stance on red diesel has now completely changed three times, it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable to treat previous threads on the issue with a measure of circumspection.

 

[Strolls]

BMW, Audi and Mercedes facing import tariffs
…
Market forces always rule!

I just want you to know I've been laffing about this all day.

 

[JumbleDuck]

There is a v good thought provoking article in the Mail today about it!

Quelle surprise.

 

[awol]

Quelle surprise.

What surprises you? A v. good article in the Mail? That s-stu reads the Mail? That s-stu can read?

 

[Heckler]

B
If, as you say, market forces rule, you would be well advised to have a few serious discussions with people in international businesses and see if they think being out of the EU will be so advantageous for the UK.

The best economy in the EU, setting to overtake Germany and purlease! dont try to patronise me with stupid references to international businesses! The CBI? Hah, called it wrong on every occasion that they have seen fit to comment on!
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[JumbleDuck]

What surprises you? A v. good article in the Mail? That s-stu reads the Mail? That s-stu can read?

That anyone could possibly take the Daily Mail as an authoritative source on anything to do with the EU, or indeed on anything to do with Europe.

 

[Rivers & creeks]

What about The Times' notorious support for the British invasion of the Crimea? Is no national newspaper reliable?

 

[Concerto]

Read post 50 of http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...aken-from-the-MoBo-forum&highlight=red+diesel

Dye reading below level stated is NOT considered RED.

Thank you for that. I had not read this thread as it was from several years before I joined the forum and no one had clarified it in this thread.

 

[Tranona]

The Belgium government is morally wrong to pursue this matter as red dye does not indicate that fuel tax has been avoided.

Their objection is nothing to do with the amount of duty paid as this is not part of the Directive. The Directive (and Belgian law) bans the use of dyed diesel in pleasure boats - so it is the dye that is the issue, not the price paid. Hence the discussion about the reliability of testing for dye. The UK government however believes that duty differentials are important and that our law which allows for different duty rates depending on usage meets the Directive. Hence the European Court case, still undecided. So "morals" have no part to play.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Their objection is nothing to do with the amount of duty paid as this is not part of the Directive. The Directive (and Belgian law) bans the use of dyed diesel in pleasure boats - so it is the dye that is the issue, not the price paid.

Am I dreaming when I think there was once blue-dyed diesel fuel for canal boats, and possibly sea going ones as well? Perhaps I'm imagining it.

 

[Koeketiene]

What surprises you? A v. good article in the Mail? That s-stu reads the Mail? That s-stu can read?

The first and the last.

 

[Koeketiene]

Since the Belgian stance on red diesel has now completely changed three times, it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable to treat previous threads on the issue with a measure of circumspection.

In what way has it changed 3 times?