Red Diesel Reprieve

[wrr]

Among the small print in the Budget:
This measure introduces legislative changes through Finance Bill 2021 and subsequent secondary legislation to restrict the entitlement to use red diesel and rebated biofuels from April 2022 to the following qualifying purposes:
………
as fuel for all marine craft refuelling and operating in the UK (including fishing and water freight industries), except for propelling private pleasure craft in Northern Ireland.

see : Reform of red diesel entitlements - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

[awol]

The Noriron sailing community ain't going to be happy about this!

 

[dunedin]

The Noriron sailing community ain't going to be happy about this!

Yes, looks to have thrown NI under a nautical bus this time.

How will a NI based UK flagged boat mange to navigate around the Uk without buying red diesel?

And the related paper on consultation findings says it will be no longer permitted to “use” red diesel for propulsion in NI, not just “buy”.
So will visiting yachts from Britain need to sail on and off the pontoon beeths in Bangor marina?

 

[Sandy]

How will a NI based UK flagged boat mange to navigate around the Uk without buying red diesel?

Just like any other UK flagged boat who uses white diesel.

 

[dgadee]

I presume the current system of bringing jerry cans full of red diesel to your boat will continue. Even in Bangor marina I have seen it brought down to the pontoons. It will be harder on those visitors who don't have a car available to go off and get it. You will have to buy white in the marinas, I conclude.

 

[awol]

I presume the current system of bringing jerry cans full of red diesel to your boat will continue. Even in Bangor marina I have seen it brought down to the pontoons. It will be harder on those visitors who don't have a car available to go off and get it. You will have to buy white in the marinas, I conclude.

Does that suggest the jerry cans might go the other way full of white?

 

[dunedin]

Just like any other UK flagged boat who uses white diesel.

Doubt there are many yachts with tanks over 100 litres or so who manage to access white diesel cruising the Hebrides etc unless they have very strong arms and lots of diesel cans

 

[lustyd]

I am fascinated what it is that Northern Ireland sees in the UK that stops them breaking away.

 

[dgadee]

I am fascinated what it is that Northern Ireland sees in the UK that stops them breaking away.

NI is not homogeneous. That's what caused 'the troubles'.

 

[awol]

I am fascinated what it is that Northern Ireland sees in the UK that stops them breaking away.

Your fascination could be assuaged by a little dip into history. Start off by googling "NI Plantation".

 

[lustyd]

The troubles were decades ago. What I'm saying is that the UK seems to overlook NI on almost every single occasion, why would they want to be a part of that?

 

[lustyd]

Your fascination could be assuaged by a little dip into history. Start off by googling "NI Plantation".

The goings on of the 1600's should play no part in decisions of a modern society. It's the people who keep banging on about history causing a lot of the issues in 2021 as far as I can tell. I'm sure everyone else just wants to get on with their lives

 

[awol]

The goings on of the 1600's should play no part in decisions of a modern society. It's the people who keep banging on about history causing a lot of the issues in 2021 as far as I can tell. I'm sure everyone else just wants to get on with their lives

The Battle of Agincourt was in 1415 - apparently the Brexiteers finest hour! “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

[lustyd]

That had nothing to do with Brexit. Our poor education system and corrupt media were responsible for that horror show. Now we've set a precedent for breaking up unions the UK will be next. Impossible to argue for one union and not another as the arguments are the same.

 

[dgadee]

The troubles were decades ago. What I'm saying is that the UK seems to overlook NI on almost every single occasion, why would they want to be a part of that?

But the polarization of the society remains - though not quite as marked. My view (I've been here since 1985) was that most catholics did not want to be part of the Republic for a number of reasons. I think 'English nationalism' has changed that, as has happened in Wales and Scotland and there seems to be more willingness to be part of the south (but the south may not want the associated costs). The protestant view is that they would get a kicking from the south should they join up with them (why would Dublin send money north?) They have also had the advantage of only nominally being British (when it suited them) having a useful piece of water between NI and the rest of the UK when it also suited them.

We are seeing the Balkanization of the UK and it looks as though most in England don't really care about that.

Ps: those on the island of Ireland are very good at history, but not the usual kind. Their history is one where they are the victim of whatever. Used to drive me mad the way both sides in NI always looked back rather than forward.

 

[awol]

Somehow I seem to have slipped into Lounge Forum territory. I apologise for my response to ignorance. Back on message - how often will the claims for tax rebates on white diesel need to be made and what proof of usage will be needed?

 

[chrishscorp]

We are seeing the Balkanization of the UK and it looks as though most in England don't really care about that.
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The Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998 we have had nearly 25 years of peace over there we are starting to see cracks appear as a result of Brexit let us truly hope that this can be resolved before people resort to the bomb and the bullet.

Back to Red Deisel......

I am very surprised at this desicion, I think this is wrong. The country is looking for tax money to pay for what we have had to borrow, NHS staff have just been offered 1% which is basically a paycut and we are being told that we are entitled to fill up our private pleasure craft on tax rebated fuel... leveling up my @rse.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Doubt there are many yachts with tanks over 100 litres or so who manage to access white diesel cruising the Hebrides etc unless they have very strong arms and lots of diesel cans

When I was last there, fuel at Mallaig came in 20 litre containers delivered by the garage to the marina entrance. I expect they could deliver road diesel the same way.

 

[Sandy]

Doubt there are many yachts with tanks over 100 litres or so who manage to access white diesel cruising the Hebrides etc unless they have very strong arms and lots of diesel cans

Suppose it depends of they are a motor or sailing vessel.

 

[lustyd]

I apologise for my response to ignorance.

Except it's not ignorance. You assume I don't know about these things rather than that I quite properly ignored the things which have no bearing on the topic whatsoever. Perhaps better off sticking to the lounge with such an attitude.