Red diesel price

Look on the bright side, the insane price is all that's stopping another run on the pumps and fuel shortage right now. I'd rather pay £2 than find the pumps empty again.
 
Bodach na mara said:
Doesn't white contain biofuel that rots the joints and gaskets in your engine?
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White is red without the die. There might be a small amount of 'special' non biofuel manufactured, but ask your supplier to guarantee the biofuel content and watch the reaction.

I've not witnessed cars dropping rotten joints and gaskets all over the highway. Have you?
 
Sandy said:
White is red without the die. There might be a small amount of 'special' non biofuel manufactured, but ask your supplier to guarantee the biofuel content and watch the reaction.

I've not witnessed cars dropping rotten joints and gaskets all over the highway. Have you?
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Actually.... Depends where it comes from. At one fuel depot (not terminal, before an Oil Major decides to sue me!) that supplies some marine pumps near Gloucester they have a slops tank that pumps all the sh1t from the delivery hose spills (Kero, bio,red, white) into the red bunker tanks complete with water and associated crap.
Red doesn't have all the engine cleaning additives in it that white has either if it comes from certain places.

Mostly the pump owners don't have a clue what they're pumping.
 
Sandy said:
White is red without the die. There might be a small amount of 'special' non biofuel manufactured, but ask your supplier to guarantee the biofuel content and watch the reaction.
I've not witnessed cars dropping rotten joints and gaskets all over the highway. Have you?
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Mdl announced their marine diesel will not contain any bio. Premier put a treatment in theirs. Some red can have up to 10%.
Calcutt boats ,who specialise in bmc and have a hire fleet have an article where they state that bmc injector pumps need new internal nitrile seals as the bio eats the older rubber ones allowing diesel to fill up the sump and can end up with a runaway diesel.
Their fuel prices on their site are £1.00 for heating and £1.49 for propulsion.
An article I read a while back stated there are 3 red diesels. Two start with a EN number and one with a BS number. The BS number was the one that's bio free.
 
2 years ago I rang around various red diesel retailers. Non of them could tell me the % of bio in their fuel .
 
So riddle me this, Marina has tank full of diesel, surely they buy it and then store it, i.e. agree a price and pay to bunker the fuel... So until they refuel, they have a tank brought at price X. They seem to be now selling it at at the new prices even though they have already brought it, seems like some serious profiteering going on at the moment :-)
 
northwind said:
So riddle me this, Marina has tank full of diesel, surely they buy it and then store it, i.e. agree a price and pay to bunker the fuel... So until they refuel, they have a tank brought at price X. They seem to be now selling it at at the new prices even though they have already brought it, seems like some serious profiteering going on at the moment :)
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Nope.
Marina has a tank full of diesel they've paid X for. Price falls. (It's going to, once this cr@p sorts itself) Marina either drops price and makes a massive loss, or nobody buys it because it's insanely expensive.
They HAVE to sell at a 'competitive' price. Profits are averaged over a year, not per fill.
 
Rappey said:
new internal nitrile seals as the bio eats the older rubber ones
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Make me wonder when was the last time an engine was supplied with rubber seals. Nitrile seems to have been the standard for a lot of years anyway so probably affects fewer people that it may at first seem
 
Nos4r2 said:
Mostly the pump owners don't have a clue what they're pumping.
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I reached that conclusion a few years ago when I asked about FAME content. It was evident the retailer at that time did not understand the question.
So I assume the worst and use a fuel additive to try to reduce the risk of fuel issues .

Looks like its going to be expensive for motor boat owners this year.
 
lustyd said:
Make me wonder when was the last time an engine was supplied with rubber seals.
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I Googled the different types of rubber and found a list of 20. Epdm, butyl, silicone,neoprene, polyurethane etc. So who really knows what rubber seals are made of?
My honda atv (petrol) had been laid up for a few years. Took the fuel tank off to discover the brass internal pipe crumbled in my fingers and the plastic fuel strainer had also dissolved. The fuel tap was blocked solid with thick gum.
 
MartynG said:
I reached that conclusion a few years ago when I asked about FAME content. It was evident the retailer at that time did not understand the question.
So I assume the worst and use a fuel additive to try to reduce the risk of fuel issues .

Looks like its going to be expensive for motor boat owners this year.
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Yes.

What most places do is 'Well, we ring up and they bring it out'.
I was a fuel tanker driver for many years. It all goes through so many intermediaries and different vagaries between it getting from the person placing the order to it getting into the tank that it's a tossup as to what you actually get.
What you CAN guarantee is that it's fuel and it'll be red or white.

Road fuel is a bit different, but currently the only fuel you can actually guarantee is what it says it is has a tiger on it-as they own the fuel terminals that supply their own garages.
 
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