Aja
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...until November 2008 at least.
Donald
Donald
Red Diesel Lives!!!
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Whitelighter
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so more a stay of execution. but good news none the less.
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...until November 2008 at least.
Donald
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Good for you guys in UK ... but a year soon passes !!
I can see the posts coming spring 2008 ... YEE GODS ... Red is being stopped ... Man the guns ... call out the troops !!!
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...until November 2008 at least.
Donald
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Good for you guys in UK ... but a year soon passes !!
I can see the posts coming spring 2008 ... YEE GODS ... Red is being stopped ... Man the guns ... call out the troops !!!
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fireball
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gives us 18 months to pull out of europe .... where do we start?! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Pye_End
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Do we know yet what rate it will be after?
Andrew_Fanner
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gives us 18 months to pull out of europe .... where do we start?! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Dear Parliamentary Candidate...
After all, who would bet on a snap election say, June 2008 when all those 2p off BR salaries have started to be paid?
gives us 18 months to pull out of europe .... where do we start?! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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Dear Parliamentary Candidate...
After all, who would bet on a snap election say, June 2008 when all those 2p off BR salaries have started to be paid?
sunquest
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Yippee - Two whole boating seasons plus a tankful 31st Oct. Could have been worse. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
jhr
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Do we know yet what rate it will be after?
[/ QUOTE ] Same rate as road diesel so - at today's prices and allowing for a "waterside premium" - 110p per litre ish?
Do we know yet what rate it will be after?
[/ QUOTE ] Same rate as road diesel so - at today's prices and allowing for a "waterside premium" - 110p per litre ish?
ZEBEDEE
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yet to be decided, after consultation with RYA etc,etc but hopefully less than road fuel.
Slow_boat
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Mmmmm, at a rate of about 40 ltrs a year I save ....how much?
When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
(Oh dear, this is going to hurt)
When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
(Oh dear, this is going to hurt)
No1_Moose
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it's not "meant for fishermen and farmers" it's meant for "off-road use". Despite a boat being erm, well an off-road vehicle it appears that for biofuel rip off tax purposes boats are not off-road vehicles anymore (see mobochat)
Birdseye
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Mmmmm, at a rate of about 40 ltrs a year I save ....how much?
When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
(Oh dear, this is going to hurt)
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How about "we do a great deal less damage to the environment" ?
Mmmmm, at a rate of about 40 ltrs a year I save ....how much?
When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
(Oh dear, this is going to hurt)
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How about "we do a great deal less damage to the environment" ?
fireball
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When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
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That really needs to be asked around the otherway ...
Justification for higher taxes on fuel for leisure boaters: - assuming it is a "green tax" aimed at reducing polution.
1) Higher prices will mean ppl use less - statistically flawed - look at the use of Cars where the price has more than doubled in the last 10 years. There will be some reduction in some areas, by those who just cannot afford to purchase the fuel. But those who can purchase the boats with highest consumption generally can afford to continue running their vessels.
2) The extra Tax gathered can be used to help neutralise the carbon - it has already been shown that due to the small amounts of fuel purchased it will (probably) not have a positive impact on the treasury.
... the government needs to stop thinking that they own us and all our income.
When you think about it, what is the justification for leisure boaters paying the lower rate that is meant for fishermen and farmers ?
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That really needs to be asked around the otherway ...
Justification for higher taxes on fuel for leisure boaters: - assuming it is a "green tax" aimed at reducing polution.
1) Higher prices will mean ppl use less - statistically flawed - look at the use of Cars where the price has more than doubled in the last 10 years. There will be some reduction in some areas, by those who just cannot afford to purchase the fuel. But those who can purchase the boats with highest consumption generally can afford to continue running their vessels.
2) The extra Tax gathered can be used to help neutralise the carbon - it has already been shown that due to the small amounts of fuel purchased it will (probably) not have a positive impact on the treasury.
... the government needs to stop thinking that they own us and all our income.
Sailfree
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Try the other way.
Why should oil producers manufacture and sell something that is a limited resouce for say 10p when other countries governments can get away with adding 80p in tax and the thing still sells!!
Indication of being either an essential or underpriced to me!!
Thank god the oil producing countries have never really got their act together.
Why should oil producers manufacture and sell something that is a limited resouce for say 10p when other countries governments can get away with adding 80p in tax and the thing still sells!!
Indication of being either an essential or underpriced to me!!
Thank god the oil producing countries have never really got their act together.
Dalliance
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I'm sure this will have been said before but I don't believe this is a leisure boat vs working boat issue. If a boat needs to pick up diesel from a working quay or boat yard it has to buy what is available. Apart from purley leisure marinas there can be no economic justification for the maintenance of two distinct tanks and pumps to provide two types of deisel so, in many cases, leisure users won't be able to re-fuel legally. I'm the last person to use spurious "safety" concerns to make an otherwise unsustainable case but in this instance I really believe that there are safety issues.
PeterGibbs
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Best guess is that it'll stay red where there is legitimate commercial business being done, and yachties may or may not be able to buy there at the full price. Much will depend on whether the pump is attended. Unattended automatic pumps - such as are seen more and more on the Continent, will of course only sell one type (white) and at the full price.
I think the outcome in the vending area is likely to be no real problem.
Where life does get faught is when UK C & E insists that no yacht can have red diesel in its tanks. Given that red is sold on the Continent in places, and in the Channel Islands, this could become an unsafe and unreasonable demand. Let's hope that C & E do not pursue their usual search and destroy policies - lobbying should begin now!
PWG
I think the outcome in the vending area is likely to be no real problem.
Where life does get faught is when UK C & E insists that no yacht can have red diesel in its tanks. Given that red is sold on the Continent in places, and in the Channel Islands, this could become an unsafe and unreasonable demand. Let's hope that C & E do not pursue their usual search and destroy policies - lobbying should begin now!
PWG
Danny Jo
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On the grounds that two separate diesel supplies isn't practicable in some locations, two options being considered are:
1) Red diesel will be sold as previously, but the vendors will be required to collect an extra 21p per litre (the minimum rate acceptable to the EC) from leisure users. (This doesn't sound like the sort of arrangement that the Revenue would be keen on).
2) All red diesel for marine use would be taxed at an additional 21p per litre. Trawlermen and other exempt users would then have to claim a refund. (This one would go down like a lead balloon with trawlermen, of course.)
1) Red diesel will be sold as previously, but the vendors will be required to collect an extra 21p per litre (the minimum rate acceptable to the EC) from leisure users. (This doesn't sound like the sort of arrangement that the Revenue would be keen on).
2) All red diesel for marine use would be taxed at an additional 21p per litre. Trawlermen and other exempt users would then have to claim a refund. (This one would go down like a lead balloon with trawlermen, of course.)
Koeketiene
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Where life does get faught is when UK C & E insists that no yacht can have red diesel in its tanks. Given that red is sold on the Continent in places, and in the Channel Islands, this could become an unsafe and unreasonable demand.
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As long as the sale of red diesel for marine (leisure) use is legal "somewhere" you're entitled to have it in your tanks. As long as you can prove that you obtained it where it was legally sold to you.
So, in future, treasure those C.I. receipts.
Where life does get faught is when UK C & E insists that no yacht can have red diesel in its tanks. Given that red is sold on the Continent in places, and in the Channel Islands, this could become an unsafe and unreasonable demand.
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As long as the sale of red diesel for marine (leisure) use is legal "somewhere" you're entitled to have it in your tanks. As long as you can prove that you obtained it where it was legally sold to you.
So, in future, treasure those C.I. receipts.
