eidiohir
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It is most definitely not a myth
Red Diesel Colour Change.
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It is most definitely not a myth
ffiill
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Just a question-why do those of you who use marinas buy their fuel often at exorbitant prices.
Never having kept a boat in a marina I have always gone to the local fuel oil supplier and either bought red diesel at their red diesel pump;delivered in bulk or(and this is less common these days) bought it from a rural /coastal garage many of whom used to have a red diesel tank.
Nearly all suppliers have some means of selling red diesel primarily to the smaller contractors who need it for their compressors:site generators ;JCBs etc.
As there are no proper marinas north of Mull this is the only way I get fueled up unless I want to go through the 60/40 rigmaroll(or whatever it is) of a Council run harbour or try to find the key holder of the Fish Selling cooperatives tank.
By the way openly talking about cleaning red diesel is likely to bring you to the attention of the Customs and Excise men!
Solve the problem as in NewZealand-all diesel is white and duty free.BUT if you have a road taxed diesel vehicle you have to dispay a mileage duty paid disc-you buy for example 10,000 miles of duty-different rates for private and commercial operators
Never having kept a boat in a marina I have always gone to the local fuel oil supplier and either bought red diesel at their red diesel pump;delivered in bulk or(and this is less common these days) bought it from a rural /coastal garage many of whom used to have a red diesel tank.
Nearly all suppliers have some means of selling red diesel primarily to the smaller contractors who need it for their compressors:site generators ;JCBs etc.
As there are no proper marinas north of Mull this is the only way I get fueled up unless I want to go through the 60/40 rigmaroll(or whatever it is) of a Council run harbour or try to find the key holder of the Fish Selling cooperatives tank.
By the way openly talking about cleaning red diesel is likely to bring you to the attention of the Customs and Excise men!
Solve the problem as in NewZealand-all diesel is white and duty free.BUT if you have a road taxed diesel vehicle you have to dispay a mileage duty paid disc-you buy for example 10,000 miles of duty-different rates for private and commercial operators
Quandary
Well-Known Member
Solve the problem ?????
The current rules are a silly compromise but they are an attempt at minimum compliance with the directives from Brussels who have decided that fuel for leisure boating must be taxed. The UK has had to accept these rules and if you are breaking them you might be better not to publicize it too much.
The current rules are a silly compromise but they are an attempt at minimum compliance with the directives from Brussels who have decided that fuel for leisure boating must be taxed. The UK has had to accept these rules and if you are breaking them you might be better not to publicize it too much.
ianj99
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Yes, I'm surprised the OP is so naive as to think that its just the colour that is relevant..!
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eidiohir
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I'm afraid I must withdraw my statement as it appears that I was mistaken.Number one son has informed me that the diesel sold as a mix of red and green was in fact laundered red and was sold as mix so people didn't know of the harm it could do to their engines.Sorry
Reverend Ludd
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No maybe about it.
I would have put it in every diesel car I've had for the last 10 years if it wasn't illegal
mucklestone
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Kerosene (heating oil) is a perfect diesel substitute, but does not have the lubricating properties of diesel. How long an engine run on it would last, who knows but the injector pump would suffer much increased wear.
However, it is easily fixed. In remote areas of Russia they simply add veggy oil to the kerosene. Normally they use about 5% veggy oil to 95% kero and that provides the lubrication that is required.
However, the mix does not take well to being injected at very very high pressure and is said to knacker up common rail injection engines. The older standard mechanical diesel engines are that bit lower pressure so it works perfectly. Basically if yours is electronic, don't bother, if not then it is a viable substitute.
With regard to the legality, I am not sure. Obviously it is very illegal on the road, but in a boat I am not sure. I guess you still need to pay duty on it for pleasure use now???
To be honest I can see the attraction in a motorboat, but on a yacht where the engine is rarely used and does not use much anyway it seems stupid not to just pay for marina fuel. I bet we use more fuel getting to the boat in the car on one trip than we use in a whole year on the boat....
However, it is easily fixed. In remote areas of Russia they simply add veggy oil to the kerosene. Normally they use about 5% veggy oil to 95% kero and that provides the lubrication that is required.
However, the mix does not take well to being injected at very very high pressure and is said to knacker up common rail injection engines. The older standard mechanical diesel engines are that bit lower pressure so it works perfectly. Basically if yours is electronic, don't bother, if not then it is a viable substitute.
With regard to the legality, I am not sure. Obviously it is very illegal on the road, but in a boat I am not sure. I guess you still need to pay duty on it for pleasure use now???
To be honest I can see the attraction in a motorboat, but on a yacht where the engine is rarely used and does not use much anyway it seems stupid not to just pay for marina fuel. I bet we use more fuel getting to the boat in the car on one trip than we use in a whole year on the boat....