Red Diesel blockade Protests Planned

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If red diesel is to still be made available who can prove that over the next five years its not the same full tanks you had in November 2008 !!!

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They are getting round that problem by making you file a passage plan before you leave port. This is not very well known yet . . . ! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I reckon it will be in place by 2010/11.
 
i have no doubt that it is Brown.
UK Inc doesnt have to charge such tax levels on fuel. Public Transport doesn't pay the tax that Eddie Stobart does for the SAME fuel. As far as EU compliance .. this is just a joke. Try travelling in Europe - there is nothing like the EU compliance that we endure. Their churches dont have no smoking signs: their roads are not packed with bossy signs that are the regulation size/colour height etc. go into aa French or spanish restaurant and ask for the no smoking section ?? haha

A huge proportion of UK boaters are modest people who give up something to follow their chosen past-time and this may change dramatically.
and remember leisure use of AVGAS aviation fuel will not take the same tax hike 01NOV .. and thats just because their lobby had teeth whereas the RYA did not.

I dont believe that any protest, other than something that would cause massive and lengthy disruption will change the path of this arrogant government and i think the boating fraternity are too intelligent to cause disruption on that sort of scale, whether they be sailors or power boat owners.
 
what type of boats will form the blockade?
What will the public perception be of a bunch of shiny great Mobos with seemingly rich (often fat) buisness men on the flybridge... (Someone might let the media know that many of these type boats do less than 1 mile per gallon.. Few do more than 5)....
Perhaps a few posh yachts as well...
All complaining about having to pay the same as the poor motorists for thier fuel?

Any blockade would have to be GENUINE commercial working boats only.. (imho)
 
Just got back from a weekend sailing. There seems to be a remarkably mixed sentiment on this forum. I really don't understand how people can roll over and accept paying MORE tax, as if we are not taxed enough already.

I for one, in the past would never have considered some kind of unsociable action, however, it seems that it is time now to stand up against unnecessary taxes- (the Brown Job could have put a lower rate on - like private aviation - why is that different?).

At the end of the day, we need to send a message that they cannot go on ramping up taxes to feed the most wasteful bureaucratic bunch of morons that we have seen in power for years. We need to make life difficult for them.

I cannot see how a blockade would work, as yachties are weekenders, and a blockade would need to be for several days. However a weekend blockade - would make headlines, but our left leaning BBC propaganda would focus in on the luxury end and probably turn everyone else against!
 
I do agree Chris
on the practical side you cant have a boating protest where hundreds of boats are milling around trying to stage a demo .. its too dangerous. You could close a port , French style .. but do the British have the balls to be that beligerent.
I am not exactly sure that it has to even involve boats .. as it would then attract the "rich kids" association. "Everyone knows that boat owners are rich" (especially the BBC) ... could not something be achieved by a few hundred cars driving up and down Whitehall at 2 mph? Even so I personally dont think this govt gives a toss.. especially now that they just have to wave the "environment flag" and thats supposed to make us all believe that we are saving the planet and thereby instantly fix opinions against those who appear not to support a lowering of our fossil fuels usage. Millions of gallons of fuel burnt bringing people to the 2012 Olympics is OK but a few pints of diesel to spend an afternoon on the River Thames or getting out to your sailing grounds and we must be taxed taxed taxed because we are ALL rich barstewards in their eyes.
EU compliance - baloney
Green - yeah, but only when they switch off motorway lights at night. (and when GB walks to the House of Commons)
pay road tax level - its a load of bull

and all this - "Europe pays the same price for fuels" ... so what .. we dont .... there's lots of things that Europe has (to its advantage) that we dont ... That's no argument if it was we would be insisting that public transport be sunsidised as it is widely in Europe.

its about getting cash from an easy target to pay for the big hole they have made of public finances (whilst they all make sure they have their own noses in the trough)
sorry sorry rant over
 
The place for this is the ballot box you may as well p into the wind for all the good it will do.

We have seen demo after demo about one thing or another, lorries on a go slow down the m25 fathers for childern to fox hunting and what good did it do. Lorry drivers are doing it daily and has it had an impact No,

Im not saying rolling over and taking it but as said above the people out there will not be on our side when a load of rich gits sit about on their boat stopping the ferry coming in, bad publicity or what, look at France.

Its not just boaters 67% is tax and if they dont take it one way they will take it another.

So for those saying what do we do? there needs to be some sort of stoppage, lets all stop something, paying tax full stop but that will only effect self employed or something like that, and I mean get public support. I cant say what but there must be something we can all stop doing that would be illegal because they cant put us all inside can they. If the Torys got in would they do anything diff.

prob not.
 
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I suppose it pays for the roads you drive on, which need maintenance and all the rest.

I don't think that applies to the sea, never seen a roller on the sea....


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Why do the government now not get rid of harbour dues, to be funded out of the fuel tax instead?

They could even put money into shoreside facilities and make charging for anchoring illegal.

At a pinch, the money could even go into funding the coastguard better.

But no. its just going into the coffers, as far as we know.

Changing the government's mind on whether on not tax will be levied at full road rate is like pissing in the wind. Why not now focus on trying to get them to put the money back into the boating industry?
 
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Changing the government's mind on whether on not tax will be levied at full road rate is like pissing in the wind. Why not now focus on trying to get them to put the money back into the boating industry?



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It would be well nigh impossible to get this government to use this tax for anything marine related. They have totally overspent, so no chance!

As someone else said, the ballot box is the only place to go. But we need commitment from the incoming party to do certain things. So I suppose now is the time to start lobbying.

I would really like to take a swing at authority - but that is not democracy - however, I am not sure what is!!!
 
I'm pretty sure such a blockade of a big commercial port for a few days (or even a few hours) would never be allowed to happen in the UK, police/navy/army would be taking whatever measures necessary to put an end to it very quickly, probably on "safety" grounds.
 
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Someone might let the media know that many of these type boats do less than 1 mile per gallon.. Few do more than 5)....

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Any non-marine journalist worth his/her salt could have have a field day by mining the rich vein of fuel burn detail within the various forums. IMHO.
 
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They are getting round that problem by making you file a passage plan before you leave port. This is not very well known yet . . . !

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Can you provide more information on that?
 
I've no idea, but presume that had there been 2 different types of petrol available then, petrol for boats would have been "Red" in the same way that diesel currently is.
The problem now would have been that as it is the same petrol as used in your car you would soon have to pay the full road price as ordered by Europe.
As Red diesel is not the same as that which is sold to motorists, then the proposed tax hike is not necessary in order to comply with the EU.

Congratulations RYA for not appreciating what was being done to us by the Govt, /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Sorry I didn't reply straight away but I have been trying to find the link which appeared on these forums before I sailed for Gibraltar. It was sometime about 2-3 months ago and was originally posted by a respected Forumite.

All I can find on the topic is from a much earlier post and referred to SOLAS V.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/296084/an/0/page/2

Perhaps someone will pop up and remember the post from a couple of months ago? It was a genuine post and not a troll.
 
I think you'll find that there was a bit of a scare about that some while ago but it has all died a death now.

If we had to file a passage plan every time we went anywhere can you imagine how they would administer it all?
 
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IIf we had to file a passage plan every time we went anywhere can you imagine how they would administer it all?

[/ QUOTE ] Yes easily, a new government agency and a couple of thousands civil servants in a posh London building /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Alternatively part of the Coastguard perhaps, would need a new IT system which won't work, go massively over budget and take years to iron out faults.
 
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