Red diesel 60/40?

[Niander]

What s the crack with this then?
I was shocked today visiting a marina to see that red is £120 L
only slightly less than road fuel
Is that how much fuel is for boats nowadays?...shocking!

 

[philip_stevens]

Lucky you weren't buying petrol at around £2.00 a litre at my local marina.

Go to a local fuel merchant with 20ltr drums and fill up from there - 65-70p a ltr.

no, I shouldn't be advocating this, as HMRC will be reading this.

 

[markleuty]

Lucky you weren't buying petrol at around £2.00 a litre at my local marina.

Go to a local fuel merchant with 20ltr drums and fill up from there - 65-70p a ltr.

no, I shouldn't be advocating this, as HMRC will be reading this.

And how am I going to carry 10 20 litre drums on me Brompton?

 

[Spyro]

Lucky you weren't buying petrol at around £2.00 a litre at my local marina.

Go to a local fuel merchant with 20ltr drums and fill up from there - 65-70p a ltr.

no, I shouldn't be advocating this, as HMRC will be reading this.

I thought I was doing well getting it for 80p/L

 

[philip_stevens]

I thought I was doing well getting it for 80p/L

That was the beginning of the season, and haven't filled up since - so may well be more by now!!

 

[Otter]

Go to a local fuel merchant with 20ltr drums and fill up from there - 65-70p a ltr.

How does that work? Tell him you've got a very very hungry eber?

 

[Pete7]

How does that work? Tell him you've got a very very hungry eber?

Or a cement mixer.

Pete

 

[Boo2]

And how am I going to carry 10 20 litre drums on me Brompton?

Trailer ?

Boo2

 

[greenalien]

The 'crack' with 60/40 is the proportion of fuel that is allocated to either propulsion (more duty, £1.20 per litre) or heating (less duty, £0.80 per litre). When you buy the fuel, a chit goes to HMRC bearing your declaration as to how you have chosen to apportion the use. If you fill up at the beginning of the season, it seems to me totally reasonable to allocate 100% to heating, as that is what you have used during the winter to keep your boat warm. Ebby or Webasto, as long as you have one fitted...

 

[prv]

And then you get some suppliers who've baked 60/40 into their till system and insist you declare that, even if you have no diesel kit other than your engine and never even use it to charge batteries.

Pete

 

[Sandyman]

You declare what percentage you will be using for propulsion & what percentage for heating.
Its up to you but you must be able to prove your consumption if Customs should poke there nose in. Since this stupid system came in ive not heard of anyone being checked. It really annoys me when they set a 60/40 percentage and are not willing to sell at different rates. Probably because its to difficult for them to do the math.

 

[Bosun Higgs]

You declare what percentage you will be using for propulsion & what percentage for heating.
Its up to you but you must be able to prove your consumption if Customs should poke there nose in. Since this stupid system came in ive not heard of anyone being checked. It really annoys me when they set a 60/40 percentage and are not willing to sell at different rates. Probably because its to difficult for them to do the math.

Nor will you, I suspect! HMC7E are just going through the motions of complying with the EU rules and provided numbers of us dont try taking them for a ride, I guess they will leave us alone.

P.S. It's maths plural ( abreviation of mathematics) unless you are a septic.

 

[VicS]

Nor will you, I suspect! HMC7E are just going through the motions of complying with the EU rules and provided numbers of us dont try taking them for a ride, I guess they will leave us alone.

P.S. It's maths plural ( abreviation of mathematics) unless you are a septic.

No its not it's only arithmetic

 

[VicMallows]

Or a cement mixer.

Pete

The one time I genuinely needed red diesel for building site use (in West Midlands) I couldn't find it anywhere. It was before the boat-duty change, but driving to a marine outlet was not worthwhile, so ended up paying full road price.

 

[BlueSkyNick]

And then you get some suppliers who've baked 60/40 into their till system and insist you declare that, even if you have no diesel kit other than your engine and never even use it to charge batteries.

Pete

I strongly recommend referring these places to Trading Standards, because it is not up to the outlet to decide what duty you should be paying. If you were totally honest and felt you should be declaring 80% they should be allowning you to pay the extra - it is YOUR responsibility.

If you buy Red diesel for agricultural purposes and transport it to the boat, you are could still be asked to explain why you have not paid duty.

 

[Niander]

Most boats dont have heating anyway
so the most goes into propulsion
im still confused!

 

[TrueBlue]

The 'crack' with 60/40 is the proportion of fuel that is allocated to either propulsion (more duty, £1.20 per litre) or heating (less duty, £0.80 per litre). When you buy the fuel, a chit goes to HMRC bearing your declaration as to how you have chosen to apportion the use. If you fill up at the beginning of the season, it seems to me totally reasonable to allocate 100% to heating, as that is what you have used during the winter to keep your boat warm. Ebby or Webasto, as long as you have one fitted...

Not quite correct - nothing is sent to HMRC, the retailer is only required to keep a record (in whatever form he choses). HMRC may inspect his records and select sale(s) to follow up with the owner if they suspect evasion.

 

[TrueBlue]

I strongly recommend referring these places to Trading Standards, because it is not up to the outlet to decide what duty you should be paying. If you were totally honest and felt you should be declaring 80% they should be allowning you to pay the extra - it is YOUR responsibility.

If you buy Red diesel for agricultural purposes and transport it to the boat, you are could still be asked to explain why you have not paid duty.

I don't think it's a TS issue - their stance would be that the retailer is free to set his T&Cs of trading.

However, it is an issue for HMRC as it is a clear breach of the scheme. If enough noise is made the RDCO could lose his licence. DON'T expect HMRC to take any action as the whole scheme is a pain for them anyway.

YOU MIGHT get some results if you complain to to the BMF as most (?) boatyards / marinas are members.

 

[chewi]

I retain evidence of paying 60/40 at some time or other, and I lose the evidence of buying for a cement mixer, who is to know or prove that I am still using which fuel?

 

[Heckler]

I retain evidence of paying 60/40 at some time or other, and I lose the evidence of buying for a cement mixer, who is to know or prove that I am still using which fuel?

No one, that is the failure of the present position. Before they had the red dye and chemical marker to prove that you had tax free in the tank. Once it is in the boat no one can tell the difference now.
Stu