BigJoe
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Some discussion in the marina as to whether it would be clever to change flag to an EU country, to avoid the inevitable interest from the authorities after, you know what, any thoughts.
Red / Blue ensigns, will they stick out like a sore thumb after B*****
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Personally, on the next foreign cruise, I intend to display an even larger and prouder red duster, to cock a snook at the abject serfs of the EU totalitarian superstate, the faceless, cringing millions who'll still be buying Jean-Claude Juncker his daily litre of vintage Cognac.
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RupertW
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Well yes, but you aren't really a cruiser who goes or stays far afield. Personally as the flag doesn't matter much compared to EU paid (not UK paid obviously) VAT status and the rights of the crew to be abroad, then we will stick with SSR for now.
Joking aside, I don't think much will change..
[70521]
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On a human level nobody will care, apart from a few bigots.
Tranona
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Why should anything change. Ensigns denote State of registration and are nothing to do with the EU, but required under international maritime law.
macd
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The legal requirements for entering a country applies to the individuals on board every much as to the vessel. An adventure holiday for illegal immigrants strikes me as potentially interesting, but perhaps not very clever.
If it's just a change of bunting that appeals, worry not: you might get to fly something bright and yellow.
Contest1
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Sometimes I wonder if it would be best to let the UK crash out. Guys like this deserve to live in the fanciful eutopia that many believe can be delivered by Nigel and Borris. Then I think of all the decent UK sailors I've met since buying Junina here on the Costa Blanca. They worry about having to return to the UK and living on the meager pension while relying on the HSE. I hope a good deal is forthcoming. Wouldn't be the same without the GnT gang.
Have a good St Stephens day��
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guernseyman
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Why should anything change?
Well, if either (or both) of Scotland and Northern Ireland quit the UK, the Union Jack and the ensigns will need to be replaced. That includes the Guernsey ensigns which curiously include the Union Jack although our historic link is with the English Crown. (Our flag is a defaced cross of St George.)
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macd
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1. NI is not graphically represented in the Union Flag.
2, This thread is about "B*****", and whether UK/NI ensigns (of whatever design) will be an impediment to movement in the EU27. That's what Tranona was addressing.
3. As someone perhaps in a singular position to comment (non-EU flag, located close to the EU), maybe you have something more pertinent to offer?
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Tranona
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Why would ensigns have to change in that unlikely event? Your Guernsey ensign is like it is because it is a member of the "Red Ensign" group which includes many ex British territories. It is unlikely that either territory will establish a completely different style of register given the tiny number of commercial vessels in those territories. Much more likely to retain a Red Ensign type register with a modified red or blue ensign just like all the others.
arto
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I doubt there will be any interest from the authorities apart from the additional paperwork.
Other people will probably just feel sorry for you.
Other people will probably just feel sorry for you.
Kukri
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It isn’t really very high up my list of things to think about, but a German sailing friend has given me an EU ensign, which I will continue to fly below the courtesy flag when visiting EU nations.
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jordanbasset
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Yes we have had one since the Brexit vote, not because I believe it will make any difference to how we are treated by the authorities but because we wanted to
Kukri
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Exactly.
guernseyman
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1. NI is represented by St Patrick's Cross in the Union Jack.
The heraldry committee appears to disagree with you about the need for change.
LittleSister
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Members of certain organisations are permitted defaced ensigns. As a price for allowing any B***** arrangement through, parliament should provide for remainers to be permitted to fly a suitably defaced Union Flag. (Design suggestions invited.
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Never mind the flags, what about all the paperwork that will need to be changed to read 'Disunited Kingdom'!
)Never mind the flags, what about all the paperwork that will need to be changed to read 'Disunited Kingdom'!
macd
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Of course it is. Sorry for very senior moment on my part.
And 2, 3? As suggested, on the latter you might actually be in a position to contribute something to the OP's query.
guernseyman
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Well, we cannot foretell the future but, on the whole, I would guess that the UK is more likely to be gratuitously unfriendly to EU ensigns than vice versa.
As far as the CI bailiwicks are concerned, we are small and need to be on reasonably good terms with both, and hope they don't mess us about too much, or actually invade us like France used to, and Germany.
Old Bumbulum
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On a point of order there is no such thing as an EU "Ensign" of course, as the EU is not a nation or state it cannot have one. Were it so it would show grave disrespect to place it below another ensign...
I too have thought of flying the EU flag below a courtesy ensign though I very much doubt any European in or out of uniform is going to be the least bit bothered about our flags post brexit.