Recycled (Circular Economy or Closed Loop) Sail Manufacturing

I have skipped through the thread. Much of it repeats itself.
The basic idea is that
Well, the benefit to the customer is that he/she is simply creating less landfill waste (it all has to go somewhere), less pollution and less use of oil (actually the amount of oil used by sailcloth manufacturers worldwide in terms of plastic yarns is staggering, and when we add each drop in the ocean that all other industries use as well, it is actually becomes the ocean itself, not just a drop).

I know we are all aware of our thinner wallets these days, so it is really only an option for those who can afford it
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So the customer pays more for.......nothing.........except getting locked-in to buying sails from a certain group of sailmakers. The sailmakers get the use of the deposit for 10-15 years.

The customer gets a warm glow because his sails are not buried, (never to to resurface again anyway).

Is there an enormous sail-mountain that has come to the notice of the EU rule-makers?

Didn't think so.
 
Lakesailor said:
I have skipped through the thread. Much of it repeats itself.
The basic idea is that

So the customer pays more for.......nothing.........except getting locked-in to buying sails from a certain group of sailmakers. The sailmakers get the use of the deposit for 10-15 years.

The customer gets a warm glow because his sails are not buried, (never to to resurface again anyway).

Is there an enormous sail-mountain that has come to the notice of the EU rule-makers?

Didn't think so.
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There is a fair mountain of them in my loft and garage.
20 odd years accumulates a few dinghy sails.
But I don't think it would take me many months to collect the same amount of PET bottles from the beach..
 
lw395 said:
There is a fair mountain of them in my loft and garage.
20 odd years accumulates a few dinghy sails.
But I don't think it would take me many months to collect the same amount of PET bottles from the beach..
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It would be interesting to know what weight that is of PET
 
solosails said:
It did for a split second, but I seriously hope you were joking!
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Well actually i was not
The planet will see me out & i reckon a lot of this re cycling rubbish is just that - rubbish
Bury & forget it. What is the problem with that?
It will not do any harm. It is not toxic
Remove the aggregate, chuck it all in, roll it down hard & then put a couple of feet of topsoil over the top & no one knows the difference --until someone from Time Team poke their nose in

As for carbon use etc it will use much less doing it the simple way
 
Lakesailor said:
So the customer pays more for.......nothing.........except getting locked-in to buying sails from a certain group of sailmakers. The sailmakers get the use of the deposit for 10-15 years.
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Whilst that appeared to be the initial suggestion, I think we moved on from that to it becoming much more like a refundable deposit scheme where you could get your money back from any sailmaker without being tied to buy the new set of sails from them - see posts #18, 26, 35 and 35. So long as the deposit wasn't excessive, this is something I would be willing to consider (but only if it also came with a promise by the sailmaker that the plastic recovered from the sails really would be recycled, and not just dumped in a skip out the back).
 
Daydream believer said:
Well actually i was not
The planet will see me out & i reckon a lot of this re cycling rubbish is just that - rubbish
Bury & forget it. What is the problem with that?
It will not do any harm. It is not toxic
Remove the aggregate, chuck it all in, roll it down hard & then put a couple of feet of topsoil over the top & no one knows the difference --until someone from Time Team poke their nose in

As for carbon use etc it will use much less doing it the simple way
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Wow.
 
Angele said:
To test out whether Daydream Believer really doesn't care, I've just bought the freehold to the land abutting his house and I've got planning consent for it as a landfill site. The first fleet of refuse trucks turns up on Monday..... :rolleyes:
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I lived next to one ( within 50 yds)for 13 years so you do not scare me there. A large part of Orsett heath was a landfill site
So your saying that all this rubbish about recycling is really you & your nimbyism
ah!!!! now we know- it is SFA about the planet but you

& come to that the land right near me is a mess so if you can put it to good use then thanks
& while you are at it can you do something about the mangy vermin foxes there as well
 
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solosails said:
What I do like about sails is that they are by definition the most efficient forms of transport in the world. I have sailed over 150,000 miles powered on the most part by sails - No OIL.

I spend the most part of my day making them more efficient, lighter, stronger etc However, that doesn't mean that when their life is over, they should be dumped.

Yes, there are many more wasteful things out there, but I care about this one, a lot.
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And of course all those deposits sitting in your bank account would be a bonus wouldn't it
 
Daydream believer said:
I lived next to one ( within 50 yds)for 13 years so you do not scare me there most of Orsett heath was a landfill site
So your saying that all this rubbish about recycling is really you & your nimbyism
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I prefer to think of myself as a NIABY - Not In Anyone's Backyard, but I'm glad you're OK living in a waste site, if we carry on as we are, then somebody has to I suppose.

So... I think we have established that you think keeping our planet clean for our children and being more efficient with our limited resources is a complete waste of time.

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't think together we are going to get anywhere useful discussing it further, so if you wouldn't mind leaving the discussion to people who might have something useful to say, that would be great. Thanks.
 
Daydream believer said:
So your saying that all this rubbish about recycling is really you & your nimbyism
ah!!!! now we know- it is SFA about the planet but you
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Not me and nimbyism, no. As it happens, I live in the middle of a town and there is zero possibility of a landfill site opening up within half a mile of my home, because the cost of compulsorily acquiring hundreds of houses in the SE of England would make any such prospect totally uneconomic.

But nimbyism in general (i.e. not mine per se, but the British public at large). It is just so difficult to get permission for new landfill sites in the UK because of local opposition and that is definitely part of the reason why we incinerate far more rubbish than we used to, notwithstanding the fact that some of what is burned produces some nasty exhaust gases which then require energy to scrub.

And not all of what ends up in landfill is as inert as we would like to believe. Unfortunately, waste streams are rarely as pure as we would all wish - so stuff buried in the ground is rarely as inert as people would have you believe. Nasty stuff can leach out.
 
Daydream believer said:
And of course all those deposits sitting in your bank account would be a bonus wouldn't it
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OK daydream Believer, you are actually just being quite unpleasant now.

The deposit system was an idea to help fund the extra work involved in stripping down the raw materials, It costs me thousands of pounds a year to employ my staff, which helps keep the British economy afloat.

If I were to take on the extra work to recycle the materials for everyone else's benefit, I would have to charge slightly more on my output sales in order to cover the cost, so everyone would pay anyway, however, just like I happily recycle my household waste for free, I would also be happy to offer this collection service for free in order to benefit the future inheritors of our beautiful planet.

Seriously, if you have nothing pleasant or helpful to say, please kindly leave this discussion, you have made your point, and I doubt there are many who would agree with you. (I hope!)
 
solosails said:
I couldn't disagree more, but I don't think together we are going to get anywhere useful discussing it further, so if you wouldn't mind leaving the discussion to people who might have something useful to say, that would be great. Thanks.
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So you do not like my arguement so I have to shut up do I?
Think I have just seen a seahorse swimming by !!?

Of course i do not believe in deliberately contaminating the planet. I feel dumping stuff in the rivers & sea, allowing toxic waste everywhere is wrong so i am not totally against recycling. allowing fertiliser to run off land etc etc
But take - for example-simple plastic & your sails. Bury them & they will not leech anywhere.
True there are lots of things that do need recycling particularly in the commercial sector but do you honestly believe it harms the planet to bury - for example-food waste, plastics & the like.
the company i work for is having to spend thousands removing earth that has some bits of tarmac in it & should not have been placed in the ground ( so we are told)
But what will they do with it, Screen it & add it to more earth to reduce the % & particle size of tarmac then send it out again

What an absolute waste of effort.

Recycle by all means but use a bit of sense

Some years ago we had a site where we found a few bits of asbestos ( less than half a M3) in the ground. Now everyone knows the dangers of asbestos. But it was an HSE officers dream come true. We had to remove 2000 M3 of earth & found very little asbestos. So what did they do with this contaminated ground . Made it into a mound outside the site & formed a play area for the kids- Somehow they forgot to tell the locals how they had recycled it!!!
 
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Daydream believer said:
So you do not like my arguement so I have to shut up do I?
Think I see a seahorse here !!?

Of course i do not believe in deliberately contaminating the planet. I feel dumping stuff in the rivers & sea, allowing toxic waste everywhere is wrong so i am not totally against recycling. allowing fertiliser to run off land etc etc
But take - for example-simple plastic & your sails. Bury them & they will not leech anywhere.
True there are lots of things that do need recycling particularly in the commercial sector but do you honestly believe it harms the planet to bury - for example-food waste, plastics & the like.
the company i work for is having to spend thousands removing earth that has some bits of tarmac in it & should not have been placed in the ground ( so we are told)
But what will they do with it, Screen it & add it to more earth to reduce the % & particle size of tarmac then send it out again

What an absolute waste of effort.

Recycle by all means but use a bit of sense
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Quite the contrary, I do enjoy a good debate, Considering the amount of opposing negative views there are in this thread, I would hardly still be bothering with it if that were the case, would I?

But the point of this discussion is about recycling sails... if it could be possible?, how it would work?, who would be willing to do it? and what would the framework look like?, how much it would cost?, what are the technical aspects?, etc, etc,

Your point is simply that you think recycling is 'rubbish' and pointless and that you would quite happily fill up a beautiful Welsh valley with as much just as we could throw in it...

That simply isn't really constructive discussion, it's just a jaw dropping admission of a total lack of respect for anything or anyone else in particular, and it doesn't add anything useful to the topic.
 
solosails said:
I couldn't disagree more, but I don't think together we are going to get anywhere useful discussing it further, so if you wouldn't mind leaving the discussion to people who might have something useful to say, that would be great. Thanks.
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solosails said:
Seriously, if you have nothing pleasant or helpful to say, please kindly leave this discussion, you have made your point, and I doubt there are many who would agree with you. (I hope!)
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Good grief. What astonishing arrogance.
You start a thread. If someone disagrees with your stance you expect to be able to get rid of them?
You don't quite get the forum concept, do you?
 
Lakesailor said:
Good grief. What astonishing arrogance.
You start a thread. If someone disagrees with your stance you expect to be able to get rid of them?
You don't quite get the forum concept, do you?
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My goodness, this really is very petty isn't it?

I do not mean to offend anyone, but I was offended by the comments made that my idea is " RUBBISH " , that I am a NIMBY, and the I am purely out to make " Profit on others deposits " That is quite simply offensive, unhelpful and far away from the debate in hand.

If the OP has nothing pleasant to say, then I would rather he didn't say any more, I think that is a fair enough request.
 
solosails said:
My goodness, this really is very petty isn't it?
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Look in the mirror. You are suggesting that because you don't like the message you shouldn't have to hear it.

Whether you agree or not, Daydreambeliever has every right to express his opinion as you also have the right to express your own.
 
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