Real Differences Between Mass Produced and Quality Yachts

roblpm said:
Hang on, just found one with a 12000 mile range
http://www.projectboats.com/whiskeysub.html

Decommissioned in 1991, hmmmmmm
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LOL;)

Can you imagine arriving in Antibes or Monaco in a "Whiskey Class" Submarine!!! You'd definitely turn more heads than all of the oligarchs put together!!!

In all reality I think you're going to have to put up with a little 'slamming' & slum it with the rest of us...

To be fair so long as you have your sails set correctly for the conditions, any 'slamming' will be kept to a minimum unless the sea conditions are really rough, in which case no matter what you are sailing in, you will 'slam'...


Breizh.
 
Breizh said:
LOL;)

Can you imagine arriving in Antibes or Monaco in a "Whiskey Class" Submarine!!! You'd definitely turn more heads than all of the oligarchs put together!!!

In all reality I think you're going to have to put up with a little 'slamming' & slum it with the rest of us...

To be fair so long as you have your sails set correctly for the conditions, any 'slamming' will be kept to a minimum unless the sea conditions are really rough, in which case no matter what you are sailing in, you will 'slam'...


Breizh.
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Yes what I wonder is with the new designs that are so much faster that upwind sailing will be less common. Bear away for a more comfortable ride, longer distance, same time? Then much faster downwind?
 
roblpm said:
Yes what I wonder is with the new designs that are so much faster that upwind sailing will be less common. Bear away for a more comfortable ride, longer distance, same time? Then much faster downwind?
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True, but not always possible for all-sorts of reasons. I guess you'll have to watch the weather & plan for easy going seas for the long distances, to ensure more comfortable sailing. Which in all fairness is what most of us would do anyway, don't be fooled, most sailors with families as crew would tend to be 'fair weather' sailors...

Also you need to take into consideration your dockside / marina stay at your destination. No point in having a fabulous all-weather hull which doesn't cut the mustard when it comes to creature comforts ...

Ah the choices we have to make huh?!

Breizh.
 
roblpm said:
Yes what I wonder is with the new designs that are so much faster that upwind sailing will be less common. Bear away for a more comfortable ride, longer distance, same time? Then much faster downwind?
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True, that happens with boats like Pogo cruisers but not with fast Italian performance cruisers. On Med upwind sailing just seems more common and the typical short period steep wave is a killer in what regards speed upwind for really beamy boats like Pogo (wave drag). Italian modern performance cruisers are more narrow with fine entries and are very fast boats upwind going closer to the wind. The Sly 43 is a good example even if not one of the narrower:

 
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Well I hope everyone is well! Hilariously I just started looking for a boat again and found my own waffling thread from 6 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems like I am still on the quest. Especially after boredom from lockdown!

So update (not that it really matters) is that I sold my Parker 275 and now am racing regularly on a 707 (or would be if it wasn't all cancelled!). And in the middle of a divorce! Ahahahhaah. By the way feel free to ignore these ramblings. Corona madness...................

I loved re rereading this thread. I love all the different opinions whatever they are!

Anyway look at this! Surely this is impossible......................!! First 35S5 | Bénéteau heritage

Anyway my criteria have changed. No racing. I have realised I can't afford it! Proper racing that is. Can't afford sails. The 707 I race on cost £5000 and a new set of racing sails is....... £5000! Ahahahah

So plan is new boat in about 3 years when I have a small amount of cash. Parked on a cheap mooring probably on the Clyde.

Spend four years making sure it is seaworthy. Standing rigging. Make sure everything works. Home made water maker. Home made self steering. New budget electronics. Etc. Bit of sailing up and down.

Then 2007 off I go............ South to canaries. Wait for the best weather. Across to Caribbean. And sit on it for as long as I feel like it. Maybe never sail it back.

So I like the look of that first! And a First 345 goes to Iceland apparantly! https://liveicomgrshot.blob.core.windows.net/rccfiles/Uploadedpdfs/Logs/Lomax.pdf

So the criteria is now warm weather boat! (I am a fair weather sailor in Scotland anyway!!!)

I want an AWB............................................................................... :LOL:
 
OK how is this possible.................................

Jonathan Green On SingleHanding

Oceanis 351 wins 2013 OSTAR race from Plymouth UK to Newport in USA.

According to some on here this is a recipe for certain death! He apparantly sailed from USA to UK first to start the race and then storm force winds on the return.

RYA has AVS at 125 Stix at 35. I will have good weather forecasts, And moreover I can probably afford one.

Same price as a Moody 336. More space.
 
roblpm said:
Well I hope everyone is well! Hilariously I just started looking for a boat again and found my own waffling thread from 6 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems like I am still on the quest. Especially after boredom from lockdown!

So update (not that it really matters) is that I sold my Parker 275 and now am racing regularly on a 707 (or would be if it wasn't all cancelled!). And in the middle of a divorce! Ahahahhaah. By the way feel free to ignore these ramblings. Corona madness...................

I loved re rereading this thread. I love all the different opinions whatever they are!

Anyway look at this! Surely this is impossible......................!! First 35S5 | Bénéteau heritage

Anyway my criteria have changed. No racing. I have realised I can't afford it! Proper racing that is. Can't afford sails. The 707 I race on cost £5000 and a new set of racing sails is....... £5000! Ahahahah

So plan is new boat in about 3 years when I have a small amount of cash. Parked on a cheap mooring probably on the Clyde.

Spend four years making sure it is seaworthy. Standing rigging. Make sure everything works. Home made water maker. Home made self steering. New budget electronics. Etc. Bit of sailing up and down.

Then 2007 off I go............ South to canaries. Wait for the best weather. Across to Caribbean. And sit on it for as long as I feel like it. Maybe never sail it back.

So I like the look of that first! And a First 345 goes to Iceland apparantly! https://liveicomgrshot.blob.core.windows.net/rccfiles/Uploadedpdfs/Logs/Lomax.pdf

So the criteria is now warm weather boat! (I am a fair weather sailor in Scotland anyway!!!)

I want an AWB............................................................................... :LOL:
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It looks like a 30 year old First S5 35 would cost you about what I paid for a 35 year old Maxi 120. I would guess at that age tge First will need the sails, running and standing rigging replaced, and a new engine, batteries and electronics. Add in the watermaker and you'll be about level with the money I've put in to the Maxi after purchase. The difference then will be that I have a 12T ketch with an encapsulated keel, a skeg-hung rudder, insulated hull and loads of living space...
 
Interesting bit in the article about mods to his Oceanis 351 ...

SAIL: What modifications have you made to Jeroboam?

JG: The biggest change was replacing the mast, which I only just did last summer prior to OSTAR. The old in-mast furling rig worked fine for the Bermuda 1-2 races I did in 2009 and 2011, but I always considered the mast to be the weakest point of the boat that was worthy of investment prior to attempting a transatlantic race. I also added some deck tack points for staysails, a proper ram-style autopilot, watermaker and a laptop with the latest weather analysis and routing software.
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... still, without an encapsulated keel and a skeg hung rudder, I'm really surprised he hasn't killed himself yet. ;)

Are an encapsulated keel and a skeg hung rudder mandatory equipment for the ARC? ... asking for a friend.

For around €55K you could get something like this modern, clean, med friendly AWB with swim platform, transom shower and 3 double cabins ... you could actually go sailing instead of spending your time contorted in the bilges fixing things. ?

2009 Bavaria 38 Cruiser Segel Boot zum Verkauf - www.yachtworld.de
 
Baggywrinkle said:
Are an encapsulated keel and a skeg hung rudder mandatory equipment for the ARC? ... asking for a friend.
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No, they are absolutely not and most people will be fine, most of the time. However, mid-ocean rudder-loss is not an experience I wish to repeat. Mid-ocean keel-loss is not an experience many get the opportunity to repeat.

I once crewed for a crazy old woman. Before departing the marina on an ocean passage, I asked to check the liferaft as it wasn't mounted outside. She gestured to the cockpit locker. Half an hour later the other crew and I had managed to get it out of the locker. We mounted it on the guard rail while the skipper/owner insisted that it being buried in a cockpit locker had "never been a problem before". For most people, most of the time all the safety things are never an issue. The problem is that you don't get to choose when those decisions/cognitive dissonance is put are the test.

Don't mislead yourself: the fact that I, and others have crossed oceans with a bolted-on keel and a spade rudder doesn't mean that no-one is ever going to lose a bolt-on keel or a spade rudder on an ocean passage.
 
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