raggies v stinkies - a culture clash?

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the overall impression you make is that mobo's are all inconsiderate, with no exception. That's fairly typical of a certain type of raggie that posts on the forums. No allowance for the fact that many if not most are more than considerate.

Same goes for PWC users, narrow boats on Thames etc, so you are not the only one. Faced with this sort of bigotry, why should I carry on going out of my way to cause the least possible inconvenience to other water users, as they plainly don't appreciate it, and concentrate on the small minority who cause problems.

Raggies cause mobo's at least as many issues on occassions, so the ability to see beyond the ignorant few, and acknowledge the majority would be nice.

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You just having a wind up? I have said very categorically already that I don't think that all mobo drivers are the same, I have also said that I am only making comment about my area, what do you want, blood? Why don't you read what I said properly instead of assumpin' all the time, did I not make reference to nobody being perfect? Did I not say that I had received courtesy and consideration from some mobo drivers?

Just what is it with you Brendon, are you just a Troll that likes to have an argument, or are you just as biggoted as those who you like to accuse of it? There really doesn't seem like there is any way to reach you, so you carry on mate, blather into the darkness on your own.
 
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"Mostly, they are a pain in the arris". "They don't ever seem to have a thought in their heads" "Ok folks, flame away"

You did ask us to!

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Yes, and the "flame away" comment was an off the cuff aside made in a lighthearted and jokey manner, that is why it had one of these attached to it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

So I guess you are just a wind up merchant, that I will have the good sense to not bother with further.
 
I may be a wind up merchant sometimes, but not in this instance.

I hate the raggies vs mobos stance that some take, and can see no reason for it. We are all water users, and the majority use the waters quite happily side by side. For some reason, there are a minority who take issue to anyone other than their type of vessel being on the water, and won't accept that trouble makers of any variety are equally spread amongst the different types of users.

PWC users have been on the forums and taken a great deal of flack, even though they themselves were blameless and trying to help enforce standards. Mobo's take flack no matter how well behaved most of them are. There is still a lack of understanding that raggies can be equally to blame for ill considered behaviour on the water.

Trying to say it's just a local problem is putting your head under the blanket and yelling for mummy. I'm sure if you put your opinions on local boaters to them personally, many would take great offence at your generalisations.
 
I refuse to accept any significant difference between mobo and sail per se.
Some boats-sail and power-I would stay absolutely shy of because the styling and gizzmos say'fragile ego'! Mine own personal preference is unreservedly sailing because I would not like the limited range,the noise and the relentless fuel costs of moboing.
I gained new found mobo respect whenhelping to deliver a 38ft powerboat up the US intracoastal waterway(which is quite narrow in places). I was amazed at how difficult it was to pass any sailing boat that was going at 6 knots,without causing wake and generally being seen as a nuisance as we crawled past at 6.5 knots and then accelerated back up to 18kn,which had a very detrimental effect on the twin caterpillars' diesel consumption,day after day.
 
Brendan, I'm sure that a lot can be read into the kind of person who wants a mobo and the kind who wishes to sail However I think that the issue is with the Motorboats themselves. All most all of the modern designs create an annoying and sometimes dangerous wash. I personally wouldnt want to be onboard something that caused grief to other people.
 
I can remember a time when I disliked motorboats and their wash intensely, and never waved at snooty (i.e. rich, ignorant) motorboat drivers on the water. The great thing about fora like these is that you get to converse with people and realise that the only thing we have in common is a desire to go to sea in a boat. I still hate the wash, and really can't understand the attraction, but at least I wave at the people nowadays.

And you should always, always wave at PWC drivers. Sometimes they forget, and wave baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh................ splash! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
A wind up merchant, You?

I only have to breathe on these fora & there you are Flashing your Gold Amex, Threatening to Motor around me in ever decreasing Circles until one of us dissappears up somewhere & you inability to understand the culinary delights of Fray Bentos are Bordering on the Super Chav.

Clean up your own back yard before you come down here spreading you poison!

Martin
 
"I hate the raggies vs mobos stance that some take, and can see no reason for it. "

Brendan, that's because you are a mobo driver.

Raggies put up with a lot from mobos without complaint. Could I suggest that you at least listen to some of the raggie complaints and give them some consideration?
 
I've seen some pretty terrible actions on behalf of representatives both camps, and I think the only difference is the scale of the damage when the mobos get it wrong is so much greater than when the raggies get it wrong.

Some examples.
Quite a while ago I was following a small sailing boat down a narrow channel marked with posts (similar to port solent approach) when a great big MOBO came up behind and started overtaking, throwing up a huge wash. We rocked and rolled a lot, but no damage done and we were prepared for it so no real issue. However the boat in front happened to be passing a post when it hit and got rolled into the post, snapping a shroud and bringing the rig down. The MOBO didn't stop, but I believe was later charged for the new rig.

In a crowded marina I once saw a yacht with a hulking great anchor on the bow roller scrape down the side of three boats. However the damage was mainly cosmetic, so not too expensive to fix.
I've also seen a lot of yachts doing crazy things in congested entrances, it does seem to be that sailing boats once motoring forget they have a throttle and will try and pass the boat in front instead of matching their (very similar) speed. However as all this happens at a much lower speed far fewer incidents ever come more than a "that bloody idiot" story at the bar. The speed difference when a MOBO behaves like that does seem to make it a lot more scary and a lot more dangerous.
 
Flaming, A much more rational position than many I think....

We don't seem to have as much antagonism on the East coast, and the two groups tend to get on much better than i've seen in some other places.... thank god.

I personally don't think its anything at all to do with whether the boat is a mobo or raggie, but more to do with the person sat at the helm.... and there are bad apples in both barrels i'm sorry to say.....

Yes, mobos could occasionally do with slowing down, but sometimes raggies could do with realising that its not fair to sail up a narrow channel when its busy etc etc etc

The sea is one of the last free resources available to us, and being united in defending and caring for it isn't helped by people encouraging factional thinking.
 
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sometimes raggies could do with realising that its not fair to sail up a narrow channel when its busy etc etc etc

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Ah, now here I disagree........
 
Fair enough.... thats your right.... but I wouldn't do it just out of stubbornness, as I enjoy sharing the water with a range of different users, and would like to keep it that way.... its always a fine line though....

But regardless, i'm glad i'm not the only one that intensely dislikes the desire to cause infighting....
 
I've read hundreds of threads on this subject. I've listened I've taken action.

But here we are back in a thread where it seems to some, that only Mobo's are to blame, and raggies blameless.

I also sail for what it's worth, as you'll find a good number of mobos here abouts do or did.
 
Both camps need sorting ...

I've been pushed out of channel by a large Flybridge MOBO hogging the centre of the exit channel from Southsea Marina ... risking my running aground on a falling tide. His draft was nowhere enough to warrant such ignorance .. when shouted at - skipper turned face away with nose in air ....

I've had a Nich. 36 brush his spreaders through my stays .. him sheeted in and sailing on beam ends, me not able to get over more due to line of visitors moorings ... he could easily have slacked sheets a touch altered a touch ... again ignorance is bliss ....

My fathers boat back in 60's ... forced aground by a small catamaran exiting Bembridge and his commandeering all channel .... but they did wave at us ...

Tea / Beer / Whiskey ... all sorts of drinks spilt while taking a few moments sitting out in cockpit ... by mobo and raggie wash ... wash is not only the result of a mobo ... a raggie can also do it ... anyone witnessing my boat can verify that - IN areas NOT affecting others ...

The whole thread appears to be a gauntlet thrown down to generate a good old brawl and troll ......

At the May BBQ at Yarmouth .... we had a mix of Mobos and Raggies ... and all went well ... everyone mixed and had a really good time .... no mobo this, raggie that ... all mucked in with mooring up each others boats, moving them to slot next in etc. In fact it was a Sailboat that incurred a slight "comment" about not helping out and b****ing off leaving mobo people to move his boat ... but still no complaint from them.


For me - there's room for all of us ... even the idiot with the Old Storebro that insists on having both diesels full chat on the river here past my house etc. One day the wash that cascaded into my canal lifted my small weekender half onto the pontoon ... luckily it sliding of without too much damage ...
 
Re: Both camps need sorting ...

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A lot of our problem down here in Bideford stems from the fact that we don't have a Harbourmaster that has the facilities (or the will I suspect) to do anything about it. Yes, he has posted speed limit signs, (7 knots) but that is to fast, in my opinion,
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I wish I was so experienced that I knew better than the Harbourmaster...
 
Re: Both camps need sorting ...

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A lot of our problem down here in Bideford stems from the fact that we don't have a Harbourmaster that has the facilities (or the will I suspect) to do anything about it. Yes, he has posted speed limit signs, (7 knots) but that is to fast, in my opinion,
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I wish I was so experienced that I knew better than the Harbourmaster...

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What's poor old sbc got to do with it?? but assuming you meant to direct you post at me? I will answer thus......

1. You don't know the Harbour Master.

2. You don't know me.

3. You don't know what experience either of us have.

4. You don't know anything about the problems we are having , here in Bideford.

5. You don't know anything about the background or the politics involved.

So I think it would be best if you kept your childish comments to yourself until you are a bit better informed.
 
Well there are as many smoking raggies as sinkies up ere!
Never had a raggie/stinki prob Myself during the last 25 years.

Here is a fact. My Cafe on the Marina was supported by Sinkies mutch more than the Raggies. Stinkies spent more per head thats for sure.

Mobo response "Yeh cos the wind is free they think everything else should be"

Raggie asked me "Why do stinkies leave their engine ticking over so long before they set off" Ses I "It's stinkies only method of propulsion so He wants to warm it up and check it out before He sets off, case it conks etc etc"
"Oh never thought of that" says Raggie. This was an intelligent man by the way. Just hadn't dawned on him.

So ignorance on both parts.
Don't think this Social divide theory holds any water. Not in My experience anyway.
Took a dyed in the wool raggie for a trip out on The Menai Straits recently.
Cause He'd never been through the infamous "Swellies" 2 hours before low water, punching a 6 kt ebb! Thought it was marvelous. In 2 hours we covered as mutch ground that would take Him 6. In all He thought it had all happened "a bit quick"
The bits of the trip were there was little to concetrate on He felt a bit bored.
"Huh this is just like driving a car"

Anyway 2 weeks later He bought a little R.I.B! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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