raggies v stinkies - a culture clash?

yes and no - imho...........

overall we are united and divided by boating - little correlation elsewhere nowadays I suspect.

the uniting is in 'our' chosen craft (electronics, anchors, or even ensigns........... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif) - what we choose is clearly right/best/...

then in using our boats raggies either cruise or race - stinkies 'go places'. Thus the meeting point is cruises and stinkies in anchorages (mainly during the day) where they both mutually enjoy just being there, on their boats, until a jetski turns up.........................
 
Ok so what about people who have owned both? Do they suddenly change career/accent and culture?

I don't know, always been a raggie rocker rather than a stinkie mod . . . But I do know people who've done it - bit like sex change operations I suppose /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Cherbourg was perfectly peaceful til you came chugging in with your big 'Look at Me' wake. I still have a piece of contact lense stuck in my eyelid
 
well if you had been properly moored with fenders, springs, snubbers etc like any self respecting stinkie you wouldn't have suffered. Standard raggie - blame the stinkie..............if Chuggin' could gone fast enough to make a wake you would be blaming him too..........










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I must be Jekyll & Hyde, i got both.

Each do their job quite well.
Now looking for a third, for another purpose.
 
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They are surely different pleasures, with different rewards, and therefore appealling to different character types, but I don't think the cultural difference is there.

A minority of motorboaters are a bit imprudent (planing around a bay where people are swimming), or inconsiderate (swamping dinghies), but even that isn't really a cultural difference, it's just down to ignorance. Motorboating is that much more accessible - salesmen tell people it's just like driving a car, and the punters believe them.

There is perhaps a cultural difference in the boating community but I'd say it's more new boat / old boat rather than sailboat / motor boat.

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I didn't say there was did I??? All I said was what my experience with Moboters was? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
I was once young and foolish, I enjoyed being rough, tough, cold, wet and living in variable positions-but never upright. I dressed like a michelin man and climbed into holes called bunks and lived on pre-prepared corned beef sandwiches. Whilst fighting wind and sails to achive an aproximate direction towards a dreamed of destination.

Now I have grown up. Rising at a civilised hour and showering in the en-suite, I phone before leaving UK to book a French restraunt then, having engaged autopilt, put the kettle on and croisants in the microwave.

What makes me smile is the number of Raggies that, when pressed, admit they actualy spend more time motor sailing than sailing. Why will they not really admit it and go the whole way.
 
There are plenty of ignorant raggies out there, that make up for it with their behaviour. There are plenty of mobo's who go out of their way to ensure their wash causes as few problems as possible.
 
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There are plenty of ignorant raggies out there, that make up for it with their behaviour. There are plenty of mobo's who go out of their way to ensure their wash causes as few problems as possible.

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Not here they bloomin well don't!
 
I give up. Being considerate is clearly wasted, so in future, I'll just bomb past any raggies I see as close as possible and wave a few fingers then.
 
When raggies drop their sails they are motor boaters,. When motor boaters engines pack up they're .......... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I've got a foot in both camps, I've had waves and consideration from both yachts and motor boaters despite what I've been helming at the time.
I've also had lack of consideration from both camps, Sailing boats under power, and motor boats coming too close.
 
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I give up. Being considerate is clearly wasted, so in future, I'll just bomb past any raggies I see as close as possible and wave a few fingers then.

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Well, if you were down this way we wouldn't note it as being any different to the behaviour of any other Mobo driver?
 
In our yacht club we have something like 50/50 mix of raggies and stinkboaters. generally we coexist fairly well. The club provides about 100 pen type moorings.
We have a set start line for races extending from the club house to a buoy a little way out. However this line does not give real racing start experience because of a usual bias to the wind and not square to the first mark. So periodically the mobo section are imposed on to provide a start boat to set a line out further in the river set nicely square to the wind. Usually this works well.

However last Sunday a confident mobo gets his boat out for the job, a flag gantry is set up and he heads out to do the start. (With my SWMBO as starter lady)
Well there was a strong wind warning on forecast and it was over 20knots and the water was 18 metres deep. Unfortunately our mobo man decided a lightish anchor would do the job and proceedeed to drop this with about 30 metres of rope. He didn't have an anchor winch and didn't fancy hauling it in again by hand. (apparently)

Well you guessed it they got one division started then found the boat had drifted. he pulled the anchor up and reset it, same effect after a few minutes. This repeated yet again.
Eventually SWMBO had to call off the whole exercise return to the club house with 30 odd boats following to start about 1 hour late. Apparently the mobo man only ever tied up to fixed moorings.

Mobos seem to encourage confidence in boat handling that is misplaced. "sure its just like a car" NOT.
Sadly around Perth the big Mobo is a necessary staus symbol for those who have "arrived". fortunately they are clever enough to stay away from sail boats olewill
 
Hey is nothing sacred??
The raggie v stinky thing arriving on the PBO forum is a clever troll from birdseye who well knows it wouldn`t get a look in over at scuttlebutt.
All members of the boating community come over here when they want advice or something fixed, from a rib driver with a stuck throttle, to a desperate yottie with a tampax stuck up his baby blake.
No, All types of boaters have always been welcome to come here for advice and it is freely given, sometimes it can be completely wrong and even bleedin dangerous but it is always free.
So lets remember where we are and get back to things like “how to make a wind vane self steering gear out of an old Hillman Imp back axle, duct tape and a paddle.
Raggie or Stinkie, lets get back to the usual more constructive arguments here, like Maplins v Screwfix. Yes?


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It's rather sad to see the ingrained bigotry of some here though, that has been thrashed out of people on Mobo and Scuttlebutt.

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Hi Brendon,

I think it's a bit of a shame that you resort to writing stuff like the above. Speaking for myself, I am not anti mobo, or even anti mobo drivers. When I described the way that mobo drivers in general behave down here, it was the trueth, not just some some bigoted opinion.

A lot of our problem down here in Bideford stems from the fact that we don't have a Harbourmaster that has the facilities (or the will I suspect) to do anything about it. Yes, he has posted speed limit signs, (7 knots) but that is to fast, in my opinion, also, they only apply between the new bridge and the old.

Even if people contravene this speed limit, he will still do nothing about it! The Council wont provide the funding for a harbour patrol boat, so that he can stop these people, and nip it in the bud on the spot, so his hands are tied.

We have made complaints against some of the worst offenders, but as he rightly points out, it's just our word against theirs. We did on a couple of occasions, try reasoning with some of these speed merchants, but all we got for our pains was abuse!

One of the worst occasions of mobo hooliganism, that have I have ever seen was at Instow, the Yacht Club there has a strong dinghy racing fraternity. I saw a mobo driver, plough through a large group of dinghies that were racing with air horns blasting away, whilst hollering and making obcene gestures at them???!!

I am well aware, that not all mobo drivers are like this, I have recieved courtesy and consideration from many over the years, but sadly, and generally speaking, in this area, they do behave like a bunch of mindless chavs. and those that don't unfortunately, get branded with the same iron as the rest, because people are so bloody well fed up with both them and the authorities for failing in their duty to do anything about it.

I am really sorry, if you think all the above is just "ingrained bigotry", but it is a fact that not all mobo drivers, behave in the way that you would like to think to they do. Lord knows, this" raggie" really wishes that you were right, I honestly do.

Now just let me finish this by saying that nobody is perfect, and over the years, I have both witnessed others, and raggies (including myself) do some daft things, mostly silly mistakes, but never with the belligerent intent and attitude as described above.

Judging from what you have already said, I guess the aforementioned will just fall on deaf ears, but Ho-Hum, such is life!
 
why is it a shame. The bigotry throughout the thread is evident.

You might have local problems, but still helped brand all mobo's as of the same mould until I said my piece. Now you are explaining your local problem
 
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why is it a shame. The bigotry throughout the thread is evident.

You might have local problems, but still helped brand all mobo's as of the same mould until I said my piece. Now you are explaining your local problem

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Sorry Brendon, I don't think I did, all of my posts on this one made reference to my local area, except the jokey ones, with a couple of other posters. One of the problems in the bit of the river that I was alluding to, is that it is fairly narrow on the upper end where a lot of the moorings are, so what we get is a dose of the first wash, compounded by the secondry wash that has bounced back off the banks! Double trouble! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Incidentally, do you work nights, or like me, just have trouble sleeping?
 
the overall impression you make is that mobo's are all inconsiderate, with no exception. That's fairly typical of a certain type of raggie that posts on the forums. No allowance for the fact that many if not most are more than considerate.

Same goes for PWC users, narrow boats on Thames etc, so you are not the only one. Faced with this sort of bigotry, why should I carry on going out of my way to cause the least possible inconvenience to other water users, as they plainly don't appreciate it, and concentrate on the small minority who cause problems.

Raggies cause mobo's at least as many issues on occassions, so the ability to see beyond the ignorant few, and acknowledge the majority would be nice.
 
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