Rafting up etiquette

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Most times having someone raft up alongside is not a problem, perhaps a slight inconvenience but all in the spirit of sharing the facilities. The problem only occurs when boaters neither understand the correct procedure nor the etiquette. On the few ocassions that I have concerns for their lack of knowledge and to avoid misunderstandings, I have printed sheets of the requirements for berthing alongside which I can hand to my errant neighbour. In otherwords - you are welcome alongside - if you do it properly and respect my boat and my privacy. I find that if there is a problem, then handing them a sheet of the 'rules', very quickly brings them to their senses without any agro developing. Often they are appreciative of someone taking the time to show them how to do it properly. Something which many charter companies obviously don't do.

I have added a copy for anyone to use (perhaps with your own modifications) and perhaps we may see a future improvement in the etiquette of rafting up.

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Rules for berthing outside of another boat.


1. Berthing alongside another boat/yacht is not a right and it is common courtesy to request permission to do so.
2. Suitable and sufficient fendering must be used by the incoming vessel to avoid any contact and subsequent damage.
3. The use of boat hooks, especially the metal type, is not allowed on painted structural parts and fittings as damage can be easily sustained.
4. Make sure that masts are not in line with each other to avoid clashing.
5. Mooring ropes to be of adequate size for the vessel – no string allowed.
6. Mooring ropes to have a loop on the receiving end, which is placed onto a suitable bollard or cleat of the host and led back out through the fairleads. The rope is then adjusted on the incoming vessel, which retains the excess rope.
7. Bow and stern ropes, fore and aft springs, and shore lines to be adjusted correctly so that there is some free riding movement between the boats and the incomer is not hanging onto the host. The final adjustment to be to the satisfaction of the host.
8. Power cables to be led over the bow.
9. When crossing over, standing on any varnished woodwork is not allowed.
10. Footwear shall be appropriate deck shoes – NOT Catboots, hard soled leather shoes, heavy footwear, or black soles.
11. Every caution taken to minimise noise and disturbance to the host boat on crossing.
12. Care taken to use appropriate handholds and not cause damage to less robust fittings on deck.
13. Crossing to be around the bow and only around the stern under exceptional circumstances and with permission. Crossing over the coach roof is not allowed.
14. The frequency of journeys across the host boat to be kept to a minimum to avoid undue disturbance.



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I have another point to make about crossing decks. After the first few occasions when other crews were crossing my deck I realised that there were some obstacles which were making it difficult for them, not least the staysail boom. So now I drop it onto the deck and tie it off on the rail. I try to leave a clear passage around the decks.

When I try and cross other boats - in particular the modern variety - I find that there are numerous other obstacles which could be adjusted similarly.

Running back-stays tied loosely to the rail and masquerading as a hand-hold are one. The sheets for the roller reefing, which either trip me up or grab me by the throat and sometimes both as I try to move round, are another.

OK, I admit I'm a little jealous of those who have roller reefing but could the sheets not be tied away safely.


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I realised somewhat belatedly how difficult the jib sheets were making life for people rafting up to us, so now put on a sail tie and leave them slack on deck.

We've met many a friendly crew when rafting up although my wife wasn't keen on the loss of privacy to start with. She now positively welcomes it, and we've had hardly any instances when we've had any regrets. 'Learners' will welcome a hand, but some experienced crews prefer to tie up themselves and in so doing trying to minimise the disturbance to us. We put fenders out and are always willing to take a line or two. Occasionally I might need to remind an arrival to put out shore lines, but this can be done in a friendly way.

I can only recall one occasion when we've had any problems this season. Coming into Yarmouth we were directed alongside a 38ft motorsailor. He clearly didn't want anyone alongside (weekend in Yarmouth in July!!) and hadn't rigged fenders, wouldn't take lines, and had his foredeck cleat hidden under a dinghy. When I asked him to assist in taking some lines he lost his rag completely and told us he'd come "all the way from Weymouth" that day (so had we - cracking sail). He sulked off below and spent the next day avoiding us. I felt for his wife and two boys who were clearly embarassed by his behaviour. The following day it was obvious he wanted to leave, but couldn't bring himself to discuss this with us. Poor bloke was obviously stressed about something and I like to think he probably regrets his outburst.

Various boats around had witnessed our arrival and were really friendly towards us, which more than balanced the books of human nature for me.

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All in all very useful guidelines, but I wonder how I would react if I were handed them.

I wonder about 'not being a right to raft up' on vistors moorings - I can totally understand if your boat is on your permanent mooring.

Do any harbour masters post large notices on visitors moorings to the effect that

'Rafting up x deep may be necessary in busy periods'

.. this could take the heat out of the matter

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Visitors moorings ....

Having witnessed one harbour master give stick to a reluctant boat ...... I can honestly say that I would welcome HM's putting notices to the effect that rafting is accepted and required - except in exceptional circumstances.

Why shouldn't they - visitors moorings are not private moorings to be able to lay your own rules to.


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I had a similar experience in Arklow a few years ago. I lay alongside a trawler and when we finally retired for the night, there were six boats outside us.

When we woke in the morning there were seven boats floating in the middle of the harbour and the trawler was gone..!!

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In Dunmore East, we moored in the only place and were four deap, went to the cafe for tea and came back, there were 18!!!

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Had a Catalac tie up alongside in Barmouth a few months ago, big heavy booted man over my coach roof back and forth, running generator to boil his kettle constantly. He had tied his shorlines so tight that it squashed my balloon wall fenders to the point my top side got scratched on the wooden piles on the wall as the tide went. Bit scary being woken up at 4 am by scratching sound right by my berth.

Had to wait to leave in the morning as he fiddled about, other visitors had well gone and I was itching to leave. When he came up on deck, finally, he said "A good another boat who believes in being on holiday and not waking at the crack of dawn", before I could speak he was back below starting his damn generator. If I see him again he is not welcome alongside my boat.

In Padstow we were instructed to raft by the berthing master, I shouted up and said we had dogs on board and would be better on a wall so not taking them over someone elses deck, no problem says he, and also suggests good places to walk them.

Had a big heavy motor sailor come alongside the next day, did not set shore lines and had pathetic fenders out until I complained and they found some better ones. I really got on with the two guys on board, but they regulary went around my stern thus looking straight into our saloon, by this time I found it hard to say anything with out seeming arsey!

The list of rules / advice seems quite a good idea.

I particularly liked the string / boots / routes rules, I think having a big wide foredeck makes crossing regularly seem more appealing, it makes it very difficult for us as we have dogs, it can drive them crazy having all those strangers on board.

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I know how I would react!

At Dartmouth the HM has signs up saying what the maximum raft size is, but during Regatta week they will ignore their own signs and squeeze more boats in.

To be honest I don't think, where the local custom is that boats raft up, that anyone has the right to refuse to let another boat raft up alongside. Whilst it is common courtesy to ask, it is also common courtesy to allow an incoming boat to come alongside. In many places there simply isn't the space for people to expect the luxury of being on their own. So long as it is safe, and subject all the usual proviso's about lines etc, I think that it is gross bad manners to turn a fellow boater away. If someone wants privacy, an early departure or whatever, then they should moor up elsewhere, and not expect others to be inconvenienced by their own selfishness.

Frankly I've never had a problem with rafting up, and I hope that nobody has had a problem with me. My only frustration is whenever we try to practice some manoeuvre coming alongside somebody always offers to take our lines. It's very difficult to say "No, thank you. We're practising" It either appears rude, or it puts the fear of God into them!

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Thank goodness, a bit of common sense. My worry is if a novice was to read this rubbish in PBO and think that this behaviour is normal it could cause unnecessary problems when rafting is needed.
As a number of posts have implied, if you do not want anyone rafting alongside then do not put yourself in a position where this is likely.

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In Dartmouth the bloody water taxi used my boat as his landing stage and I had groups of kids and there parents tramping around my cockpit!!

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Also, I think it is good manners to provide vodka (or similar) to the crew rafting up to you.

I agree that you should try to raft up to boats your size or larger, but what if there aren't any? We frequently have to raft up to smaller boats, luckily noone has yet had a problem with that but which size difference is considered acceptable? (Given, of course, that you pick the largest boat available.)

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Well we had LJS's 32ft with my P35 along side, then a big 40 odd thingy next. It's no problem if they behave.

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I can't think of anything I would have a problem with the rules list apart from (1.). The only party with "rights" in this issue is the Harbourmaster who not only has a duty of care but the responsibility to safeguard revenues.
I suggest that no one has any right to refuse a raft up... unless they buy the harbour.
I have never had a problem and would think anyone attempting to prevent rafting would get short shrift unless there was a good reason for them doing so.

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The larger boat should always offer to go inside. And the smaller boat will accept, if he's any sense.

This only works with one or maybe two small boats. Joining a raft of smaller boats is definitely out of order in my book.

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Is that the article that also mentions insurance.

Having been in the thick of mega rafts at Bembridge, Lymington, Yarmouth, Poole, Weymouth, Brixham, Dartmouth, Salcombe, The Yealm and no doubt elswhere, I don't think I have EVER given a second thought to what would happen if a neighbours gas installation 'blew the top off'.

Question is, if you found yourself adjacent to a rather old, run down or apparently ill-maintained yacht, would you move on, ask them when they last had a gas inspection, or raft up and pray?

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Re: depends on what they say...

"Gas inspection? - yep, i checked it last year! Or was that another boat?...." .
or
"Gas fittings are always left hand thread - aren't they? Any I know they have to be *just* finger tight "
or
"If water doesn't leak from some pipe - we should be able to use it for gas as well shouldn't we?"
or
"hm, i think it still smells of gas out here - [to neighbour] Can you smell gas over there? Hope you don't smoke, haha. "


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We have never asked another boat if we can raft – we hate rafting and always move on to another harbour or anchorage. We hate boats rafting up to us (don’t shout at me! We never refuse and always politely take lines and adjust fenders etc.).

However, the skipper has come up with a new idea. After reading the recent article in YM about increasing insurance premiums, personal injury claims and the skipper’s liability he is thinking of having a notice printed that reads:

You are welcome to raft up providing you:

a) have at least £3m worth of third party insurance (in case your gas system explodes, sinking my boat and killing my guests, proof of cover is required);
b) sign a document waiving all claims to damages if you prick your finger on my split pins or trip over an unsecured sheet.

What d’you think the reaction will be?


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