sailorman
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WHAT R THE R.Y.A. doing about this or r they all taking early retirement @60
membership No 000W46547 Since 1974
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R.Y.A. Fishing Pots
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StugeronSteve
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The early retirement plan allows officers to concentrate on their lobster fishing of course.
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sailorman
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didnt think of that, thanks
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kimhollamby
Active member
See the latest RYA News
Cruising manager is appealing for info.
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Cruising manager is appealing for info.
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TheBoatman
New member
Re: See the latest RYA News
Guys
This is an important subject.
The RYA are trying to find out how much bother me and my mates cause when we throw badly marked pot strings into the sea to catch unwary yotties.
We obviously have our own code of practice.
1. should be laid where we expect lobsters/crabs to be living. Note the use of the word "expect" this gives us carte blanche to lay them anywhere. After all it is our sea not yours. Your only playing on it, we are working on it?
2. added advantage if it is on a direct rhumb line between 2 w/points given in a yotties almanac.
3. strings are best laid across the tide because this gives us a better chance of catching a yot.
4. we prefer to use polyprop line as this burns up and seals hard onto a revolving prop shaft, also ployprop is cheaper for us buy so losing the odd bit now and then is no problem.
5. yots that we catch will eventually get clear by cutting our lines, thats not a problem as we always mark both ends of the string, it just means that we pick up the other marker.
6. we have nothing but admiration for the yottie that having been caught, first lifts the string, removes the catch and then cuts himself free.
7. we often lay long term marks, using the old gear we have, suitably camoflarged with weed and iffy top flags, in a "box" just so that we can confuse the hell out of the helm/skipper and get them sailing round in circles sweating over the best way out. This is done so that we can exchange "skipper,my story is better than your story" over a pint in the local.
8. this year, a mate/skipper was able to regale us with a "I caught a 60 footer today and you should have seen what he did to try to get off" story. He didn't buy a pint all night, with that one?
Seriously, guys,
pot lines are a real danger to yots, because owners may have to go over the side to release themselves, so if you have a story to tell, then contact the RYA site and tell them about it, before some silly sod kills themself. If you get stuck and it proves impossible to get yourself free, before going over the side, contact the CG and tell them you need assistance, because if the RNLI get involved a report will go in, saying that you fouled fishing gear and thats one of the best and safest ways of both reporting it and getting yourself clear.
The Boatman
PS
I haven't potted for 10 years now, and I hope you will all see that this is a "joke" post but none the less, a serious post. If you get caught up please contact the CG and tell them of your intentions.
BE SAFE.
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Guys
This is an important subject.
The RYA are trying to find out how much bother me and my mates cause when we throw badly marked pot strings into the sea to catch unwary yotties.
We obviously have our own code of practice.
1. should be laid where we expect lobsters/crabs to be living. Note the use of the word "expect" this gives us carte blanche to lay them anywhere. After all it is our sea not yours. Your only playing on it, we are working on it?
2. added advantage if it is on a direct rhumb line between 2 w/points given in a yotties almanac.
3. strings are best laid across the tide because this gives us a better chance of catching a yot.
4. we prefer to use polyprop line as this burns up and seals hard onto a revolving prop shaft, also ployprop is cheaper for us buy so losing the odd bit now and then is no problem.
5. yots that we catch will eventually get clear by cutting our lines, thats not a problem as we always mark both ends of the string, it just means that we pick up the other marker.
6. we have nothing but admiration for the yottie that having been caught, first lifts the string, removes the catch and then cuts himself free.
7. we often lay long term marks, using the old gear we have, suitably camoflarged with weed and iffy top flags, in a "box" just so that we can confuse the hell out of the helm/skipper and get them sailing round in circles sweating over the best way out. This is done so that we can exchange "skipper,my story is better than your story" over a pint in the local.
8. this year, a mate/skipper was able to regale us with a "I caught a 60 footer today and you should have seen what he did to try to get off" story. He didn't buy a pint all night, with that one?
Seriously, guys,
pot lines are a real danger to yots, because owners may have to go over the side to release themselves, so if you have a story to tell, then contact the RYA site and tell them about it, before some silly sod kills themself. If you get stuck and it proves impossible to get yourself free, before going over the side, contact the CG and tell them you need assistance, because if the RNLI get involved a report will go in, saying that you fouled fishing gear and thats one of the best and safest ways of both reporting it and getting yourself clear.
The Boatman
PS
I haven't potted for 10 years now, and I hope you will all see that this is a "joke" post but none the less, a serious post. If you get caught up please contact the CG and tell them of your intentions.
BE SAFE.
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charles_reed
Active member
Potters
The big problem are the "recreational" potters, using any old line in the most ridiculous places.
With most professionals, weighted line, markers with flags and places where crustacea live (nearly always away from channels) is the norm.
Personally I've fouled pots only about 4 times (twice when the so-called lookout wasn't) and only once cut the line without re-tieing.
there are few potters and pots around UK coasts - just try the W coast of France and off Portugal where you'll find them in 80-100m of water.
So I really don't know what the excitement is all about, unless it's down to uncommonly poor seamanship - after all they have as much right as you to be there - the next demand to the RYA will no doubt that all sand and rock obstructions round UK coasts be cleared.
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The big problem are the "recreational" potters, using any old line in the most ridiculous places.
With most professionals, weighted line, markers with flags and places where crustacea live (nearly always away from channels) is the norm.
Personally I've fouled pots only about 4 times (twice when the so-called lookout wasn't) and only once cut the line without re-tieing.
there are few potters and pots around UK coasts - just try the W coast of France and off Portugal where you'll find them in 80-100m of water.
So I really don't know what the excitement is all about, unless it's down to uncommonly poor seamanship - after all they have as much right as you to be there - the next demand to the RYA will no doubt that all sand and rock obstructions round UK coasts be cleared.
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jamesjermain
Active member
This is something the RYA has been working on for some considerable time, as reported in various issues of RYA News.
It has already had meetings with representatives of the fishing industry and the Government to try to establish a better code of conduct and some guidelines on the use of equipment, particularly steel wire.
The latest issue of RYA news contains a questionaire asking for information as Kim has explained.
The RYA understands that fishermen have a living to make, but also recognises that poorly or inconsiderately laid pots are putting lives at risk.
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It has already had meetings with representatives of the fishing industry and the Government to try to establish a better code of conduct and some guidelines on the use of equipment, particularly steel wire.
The latest issue of RYA news contains a questionaire asking for information as Kim has explained.
The RYA understands that fishermen have a living to make, but also recognises that poorly or inconsiderately laid pots are putting lives at risk.
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Cornishman
New member
Re: Potters
I agree. There are some (no names - no pack drill) on this forum who make the most outrageous demands upon the RYA, and then get all shirty if they think that their little local difficulty is not being dealt with.
As for the pots problem most of us view this with the same irritation, and no more, as we do the idiots using a hand held mobile phone after a couple of pints in the pub and try to forceably overtake on roads where it is not feasible. We've all met 'em!
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I agree. There are some (no names - no pack drill) on this forum who make the most outrageous demands upon the RYA, and then get all shirty if they think that their little local difficulty is not being dealt with.
As for the pots problem most of us view this with the same irritation, and no more, as we do the idiots using a hand held mobile phone after a couple of pints in the pub and try to forceably overtake on roads where it is not feasible. We've all met 'em!
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charles_reed
Active member
Of course it was bound to happen
Potters get fed up with the loss of considerable quantities of valuable gear because yachties are to damn inconsiderate to miss their means livelihood and just chuntered over their lines with mincing devices on their propshafts without a care in the world.
So they started to fit stainless wire traces.
Now who started the escalation? Yotties or potties.
I'm sure all of you who are road users would have a moan or two if someone tried to clear a space for themselves á la Boudicca, with sharp blades on their wheels?
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Potters get fed up with the loss of considerable quantities of valuable gear because yachties are to damn inconsiderate to miss their means livelihood and just chuntered over their lines with mincing devices on their propshafts without a care in the world.
So they started to fit stainless wire traces.
Now who started the escalation? Yotties or potties.
I'm sure all of you who are road users would have a moan or two if someone tried to clear a space for themselves á la Boudicca, with sharp blades on their wheels?
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zefender
Active member
Re: right of passage
I might get a bit irritated if someone decided to lay a lump of concrete on the outside lane of the M3 without notice, whether or not it was his livelihood. The notion of those laying pots as romantic souls scratching a living is a little wide of the mark nowadays.
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I might get a bit irritated if someone decided to lay a lump of concrete on the outside lane of the M3 without notice, whether or not it was his livelihood. The notion of those laying pots as romantic souls scratching a living is a little wide of the mark nowadays.
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jamesjermain
Active member
Hedgehogs
Or hedgehogs grew steel spines!
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Or hedgehogs grew steel spines!
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Chris_Robb
Well-known member
Re: Of course it was bound to happen
Charles - who ever complained about well marked pots - of course they have the right, and yachts should keep a better lookout
- HOWEVER when you see a tiny float joined to another tiny float by 3 metres of floating line, which now increase the chance of a yacht fouling it by many 1000% they deserve to loose their gear. I would also advocate cutting loose such pots to teach them a lesson, as the owners are almost certainly not earning their living by it, and obviously don't give a shit about anyone else. If they are professional, then they deserve to go out of business.
Most of the Cornish Fisherman mark their pots with black flags - why can't the others?
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Charles - who ever complained about well marked pots - of course they have the right, and yachts should keep a better lookout
- HOWEVER when you see a tiny float joined to another tiny float by 3 metres of floating line, which now increase the chance of a yacht fouling it by many 1000% they deserve to loose their gear. I would also advocate cutting loose such pots to teach them a lesson, as the owners are almost certainly not earning their living by it, and obviously don't give a shit about anyone else. If they are professional, then they deserve to go out of business.
Most of the Cornish Fisherman mark their pots with black flags - why can't the others?
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graham
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Re: Of course it was bound to happen
In daytime I find that bright orange catches my eye the best.In the dark its largely down to Lady Luck.
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In daytime I find that bright orange catches my eye the best.In the dark its largely down to Lady Luck.
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Cornishman
New member
Re: Of course it was bound to happen
Most of the Cornish fishermen mark their pots with black flags - why can't the others?
Of course they do - it's part of the National Flag.
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Most of the Cornish fishermen mark their pots with black flags - why can't the others?
Of course they do - it's part of the National Flag.
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charles_reed
Active member
Black plastic
Is useless for visual at night but always seems to give a good echo on 0.125nm radar.
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Is useless for visual at night but always seems to give a good echo on 0.125nm radar.
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charles_reed
Active member
Re: right of passage
Understand your chagrin but find it to follow your reasoning.
A lump of concrete in a motorway, which would damage your car and where you are constrained within a narrow lane is very different from a soft plastic buoy which you can easily avoid in wide open waters.
No, I think the comparison is entirely invalid.
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Understand your chagrin but find it to follow your reasoning.
A lump of concrete in a motorway, which would damage your car and where you are constrained within a narrow lane is very different from a soft plastic buoy which you can easily avoid in wide open waters.
No, I think the comparison is entirely invalid.
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TheBoatman
New member
Re: Of course it was bound to happen
<<<when you see a tiny float joined to another tiny float by 3 metres of floating line, which now increase the chance of a yacht fouling it by many 1000%>>>
If you had to bring a boat weighing anything upwards of 10 tons alongside that line in some foul weather you'd only want a couple of small floats in the water PLUS you then have to capture it and be pretty quick about running that 3 metres of line over the winch before the whole boat runs over it. Using the dan marks is best for locating the string but in rough weather its just a little bit of a bu***r getting it aboard and enough line to prime the winch.
No Charles is right on this one,,you can't beat a good lookout.
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<<<when you see a tiny float joined to another tiny float by 3 metres of floating line, which now increase the chance of a yacht fouling it by many 1000%>>>
If you had to bring a boat weighing anything upwards of 10 tons alongside that line in some foul weather you'd only want a couple of small floats in the water PLUS you then have to capture it and be pretty quick about running that 3 metres of line over the winch before the whole boat runs over it. Using the dan marks is best for locating the string but in rough weather its just a little bit of a bu***r getting it aboard and enough line to prime the winch.
No Charles is right on this one,,you can't beat a good lookout.
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BrendanS
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Re: Of course it was bound to happen
What sort of lookout can spot a small buoy (which happens to be attached to 150' of floating line) when it's underwater due to the current
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What sort of lookout can spot a small buoy (which happens to be attached to 150' of floating line) when it's underwater due to the current
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Twister_Ken
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Re: Of course it was bound to happen
>What sort of lookout can spot a small buoy <
and at night?
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and at night?
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Twister_Ken
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Re: right of passage
Charles,
Could I possibly borrow your night vision equipment? While it may just be possible to spot a blue 5 litre can by day, it's deuced difficult at night.
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Charles,
Could I possibly borrow your night vision equipment? While it may just be possible to spot a blue 5 litre can by day, it's deuced difficult at night.
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