R.I.P. Old Harwich

Kukri said:
45 minutes to Liverpool Street is pretty strict. Manningtree station car park is always full on weekdays...
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Not really... As a commuter for many years, there are significant choices to be made.
1. Harwich no longer has a regular through service to Liverpool Street.
2. The commute time isn't just the local station to Liverpool St time; it's the time to get to the local station and the time for any onward journey from Liverpool St or maybe Stratford. I had a 10 min morning drive to Colchester North (25 min back at night), and a 25 minute tube ride on from Liverpool St and back. The 55min fast train Colchester to Liverpool St is only part of the story. Anything north of 90 min each way total journey time is very wearing....

PS Manningtree has Norwich trains stopping there, hence the popularity
 
Aquaboy said:
speed limit doesn't apply to commercial vessels!
Couple of thoughts'
I do wonder about the flood risk to the site. The present barrier runs along the road joining the life boat station down to navigation house.(think that's what its called) Judging from the weird funnels on the barges in the artist impression who ever drew it isn't very nautically minded and with the ever increase risk these days (real or imagined) I expect there will be a six foot concrete wall around the whole area and because someone might want to go boating and that's not safe there wont be any access to the water at all!
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Plum said:
Here is a better image showing the proposed development alongside a view of the current site Harwich navy yard proposed and today.png

Www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk
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Flood risk will be addressed, there was a flood risk to the development at Gunwharfe in Portsmouth, the Developers raised the level of the site by over a meter to mitigate that for at least 60 years.

Obviously the second picture posted by Plum is a developers day dreamy interpretation, they never quite work out the same.... but it does look to be an improvement on what is currently there, big plus is its a brownfield site
 
Gladys said:
Not really... As a commuter for many years, there are significant choices to be made.
1. Harwich no longer has a regular through service to Liverpool Street.
2. The commute time isn't just the local station to Liverpool St time; it's the time to get to the local station and the time for any onward journey from Liverpool St or maybe Stratford. I had a 10 min morning drive to Colchester North (25 min back at night), and a 25 minute tube ride on from Liverpool St and back. The 55min fast train Colchester to Liverpool St is only part of the story. Anything north of 90 min each way total journey time is very wearing....

PS Manningtree has Norwich trains stopping there, hence the popularity
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I also used to commute from Colchester to Liverpool Street everyday. I got the 7.00am train which arrived at Liverpool Street at about 8.10. I waited 15 minutes for the underground train the Charring Cross, and then a 10 minute walk to my office. That took me 2 hours door to door, and then 2 hours home at night When I got the job, I thought "one hour to London, that is OK".

However, this did have an upside because I got promoted to manage the Ipswich office, whilst in London , and then later to manage the bigger Colchester office
 
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Gladys said:
Not really... As a commuter for many years, there are significant choices to be made.
1. Harwich no longer has a regular through service to Liverpool Street.
2. The commute time isn't just the local station to Liverpool St time; it's the time to get to the local station and the time for any onward journey from Liverpool St or maybe Stratford. I had a 10 min morning drive to Colchester North (25 min back at night), and a 25 minute tube ride on from Liverpool St and back. The 55min fast train Colchester to Liverpool St is only part of the story. Anything north of 90 min each way total journey time is very wearing....
PS Manningtree has Norwich trains stopping there, hence the popularity
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Couldn't agree more re the 90-minute limit. I commuted in for years from East Kent, the onwards walking time in London was never more than 5-15minutes but the train time steadily streteched over the years from 80 minutes to 95 minutes as they added more stops and more services. It started off bearable but ended up very tiring indeed. Boy was a glad to be able to retire early.
 
The road from Harwich to Manningtree is charming, in fact it is called a “heritage route”, which is to say that it has glorious views, but it is narrow, very twisty and downright dangerous if taken at speed, with an excellent prospect of being trapped behind a combine harvester... David of Mersea will know what I mean... commuter hell ... but this is more so.
 
Kukri said:
The road from Harwich to Manningtree is charming, in fact it is called a “heritage route”, which is to say that it has glorious views, but it is narrow, very twisty and downright dangerous if taken at speed, with an excellent prospect of being trapped behind a combine harvester... David of Mersea will know what I mean... commuter hell ... but this is more so.
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I know that road well, and indeed it is a very pretty road. In the Summer we often go to Manningtree, and have coffee, walk to the "Quay" and then onto Harwich, where I often buy a burger from the man outside the town hall, or whatever it is now
 
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DavidofMersea said:
I know that road well, and indeed it is a beautiful road. In the Summer we often go to Manningtree, and have coffee, and then onto Harwich, where I often buy a burger from the man outside the town hall, or whatever it is now
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Part of my favourite motorcycle ride out... I stop at Revv'd Up at Walton rather than Harwich....
 
DavidofMersea said:
Tell us more. I have not been that way for ages. Is there a bridge over the railway line?
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Well, there is, a single lane bridge in another place, but I’d have to kill you. :sneaky:

The old manually operated level crossing gates which were the pride of Frinton, making it Britain’s largest “gated community”, and which the townsfolk maintained were responsible for the low crime rate, as they could be closed against any bank robbers’ getaway car, and of course hoi polloi in charabancs, have been replaced by mere automatic barriers.:):rolleyes:
 
chrishscorp said:
Obviously the second picture posted by Plum is a developers day dreamy interpretation, they never quite work out the same.... but it does look to be an improvement on what is currently there, big plus is its a brownfield site
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That is the sort of shoddy thinking that causes the problems we see in the so called planning process. It was used for employment so it must be used for housing to save countryside from development. Whilst is is used for employment, it balances the local community. Take away the jobs and everyone has to commute to work... where are the jobs? They have to be created on what is now a field ... but somewhere else causing an environmental load from the commuting.

Besides, it is a port. Ports can only be built where land meets water. Once destroyed, it can’t be used again as a port.
 
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