Question: Which would you choose and why?

Re: A useful \"rule\" from Uffa Fox

You will lose a little windward ability - not much. Perhaps 5%, or one mile in twenty. An unacceptable sacrifice if you are racing, but if you are cruising shorthanded not something that you would notice.

Most of this loss will be down to the boomed staysail, which is always a fairly small and inefficient sail.

The gain in ease of handling is huge. A Bermudian cutter does not need such a long bowsprit, and if you keep it fairly short and stout you can keep the roller gear.

I would expect that you would be able to sail to windward up a river with the jib rolled, using just the boom staysail, leaving the winch handles in their pockets.



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Re: Ocean 60?

In the days of my youth I worked for a firm of shipping solicitors in the City. The then senior partner bought himself an Ocean 60 for charter, purely as a tax efficient investment, which it was in those distant days.

A very curious thing happened; he found he liked sailing, and his boats got smaller and his voyages longer, to the point where he cruised round the Atlantic, in his retirement, in a 35 footer.

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Re: A useful \"rule\" from Uffa Fox

I have seem some staysails with self tacking gear on the deck, rather than use of a boom, presumably these would be less inefficient. My boat is a cat - so I have been looking for gains in efficiency to windward. My biggest problem has been that leeway is controlled by boat speed - the faster the boat goes, the less leeway. Short seas in the solent expose the design compromises, and although I can achieve max efficiency at abt 40 degrees to the apparent under benevolent sea conditions, the underwater shape will not accept the Solent Slop (time for the engine again!!). I am addressing the underwater shape this winter, and have been looking at the cutter rig as a major advantage in short handed heavy weather sailing. It will also help to increase the lift from the bow (due to the better angle of the genoa). Do you have a roller on your staysail?

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No problem with teak decks in the heat, as you will see. I hear peeps going on about this all the time, but I've never had a problem, mind you I wear deck shoes most of the time, theres too many things on deck to stub your toes on! But even without deck shoes, I've never found it too hot underfoot, even this year in 43 degrees. Maybe I've got thick bottoms on my feet, some say I have a thick head, so they may well be. So I think a lot of what we hear is hearsay.

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I had a dream for 30yrs of owning a fisher

and I bought a Nauticat 38, read my story with pics

read it at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.boatsyachtsmarinas.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=BoatReview&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0001>http://www.boatsyachtsmarinas.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=BoatReview&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0001</A>

<hr width=100% size=1>David<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by david on 15/10/2003 16:32 (server time).</FONT></P>
 
Nauticat 38 Aft cabin pics

Didn't like the big island berth, I had two seperate berths with the port one larger than the starboard berth, thats cos I'm a big fat pig acording to swmbo... /forums/images/icons/smile.gif now she has claimed the bigger berth.
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<hr width=100% size=1>David<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by david on 15/10/2003 17:22 (server time).</FONT></P>
 
Re: Nauticat 38 Aft cabin pics

Dunno, I guess it isn't just me, but I think these boats are just sooooo classy.

Still prefer the island berth though. SWMBO and I are still joined at the hip../forums/images/icons/cool.gif

BTW, wheres your mizzen gone?

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Re:Where\'s the mizzen?

It was there when I last looked /forums/images/icons/smile.gif are you refering to one of the pics on the web site where the above pics are? if so you will see the original pic with it showing, I just painted it out using photoshop.

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Re: A useful \"rule\" from Uffa Fox

I have a roller on the jib but not the staysail. It is quite possible to have a roller on a conventional boom staysail, and I do sometimes think about it, but the sail is reasonably docile anyway.

I am not sure that the type of self tacking jib with a track on deck is any better - the problem really is that because it cannot overlap the mainsail (because the boom, or the deck track, must clear the mast) the sail is inevitably fairly small. Personally I think a wishbone boom might be best, but that could not be done with a roller, because the wishbone must attach to the forestay, with a slide or car.

There is nothing to stop you having an even bigger jib than now, on your newly extended forestay, but you will have a choice that you don't have now. It is probably best to have it with a high clew, like a Yankee. Illingworth and Primrose did a lot of offshore racing cutters like that, with a low cut genoa-ish staysail and a Yankee jib over it.

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Re: Nauticat 38 Aft cabin pics

You wont be joined at the hip, when it gets 43 degrees and 90% humidity in the meddy, that I promise you! By the way, no double berths on Englander! Aft cabin is like the photos here, bigger berth to stb, where I put the lassie, then I can pop over, have/let them have my/their evil way, then back to my own cool berth, the girls seem to like it like that aswell and yes they do come back!! simple eh!

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Re: I had a dream for 30yrs of owning a fisher

If I ever sell mine, it will be a fisher or a nauticat.

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Re: Nauticat 38 Aft cabin pics

I may be home early, so I'll change the air for you!

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