Q: 433MHz floating transmitters compatible with QUICK 1354 radio control receiver

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tidying up the garage at home as things are slowly shifted back to the boat after been stored there for the last couple of years or more.

Now, last year I bought an AIRMAR passarelle s/h which unsurprisingly came with no remote. Further, the seller (was actually a yard that did some work on the boat and removed the passerelle) said that there was no controller on the system.
Earlier in the morning I went through all the boxes and cabling there and came across a box with cables coming in nothing coming out :p
Opened it up and sure enough was a nice Quick 1354 radio control box receiver, in excellent nick.
Relieved, I now only have to worry about getting a compatible transmitter (4 channel as in up down and in out)
Specs of the 1354 are here here (bottom of page)
It mentions:
Transmission freq. 433.91MHz
Transmission code. 32bit digital
code combo identified 16.7mill
transmission codes stored 50 (I guess that covers 12 remotes X 4 codes per remote, more than I'll ever need...)
Standards/test methods used: ETS 300 220, ETS 300 683 (no clue what it means)

Same page bit higher has various floating or not 2-4-10channel transmitters. Quite like the 4 channel bow thrusters one (top link on previous page) but seems that they use some other technology as they mention FSK modulation whereas "my" 1354 receiver doesn't mention modulation at all.

By going through all transmitters, seems that only 04 (oddly squary shaped one) and 304 (fugly and massive!) are compatible.

Main problem I have is that I'm not familiar with RF that much, especially all these rolling codes, vs fix systems, etc. My garage door as a two channel thing that seems to be programmed the same way as the QUICK by pressing a button at the receiver and then the transmitter ones. I actually may try to run the passarelle with this and see (but it's only a 3 button remote so missing one function!)

Now, remember RR had a thread on passarelle remotes a few months ago and Adey mentioned one he bought off ebay for less than two quid.
RR was talking about dip switches which mine hasn't, Adey looks like it may fit but didn't come back in the thread to confirm that things worked out for him and how.

SO, Q are:

what does this 32bit digital transmission code mean (not seen on any ebay offering!)
will a rolling code transmitter work on my system?
can anyone recommend/ has tried successfully something form ebay on a similar setup?
What's up with Poland and remotes? Most ebay sellers seem to be from there, any catch?

cheers

V.
 
The one I ordered didn't turn up and by the time I'd got a paypal refund and ordered another one (and got back to Italy) I forgot about the thread.
Anyway, it didn't work.
Weird though, because it found and stored the codes but the receiver was having none of it.
It did work on my garage alarm though so at least I have a spare for that.
I really don't understand why it doesn't work on my (Bioinox) passerelle. Can't imagine there's anything very secure about it. When you buy a spare remote it doesn't need programming in any way so it must have a standard code.
I don't think it will help you anyway because you need a good remote to copy. There are no codes stored in it when you get it.
I'll have to find some other makes of passerelle to try it on, it seems like it should work and would be a very cheap backup if it did.
http://youtu.be/qxu6abm2hXM

EDIT..
Just googled your 'quick 1354 receiver' and it seems that it can be programmed to accept any 4 channel 433Mhz transmitter.
http://www.quicknauticalequipment.com/resources/downloads_qne-prod/1/ricevitore 135x r002f.pdf
 
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The one I ordered didn't turn up and by the time I'd got a paypal refund and ordered another one (and got back to Italy) I forgot about the thread.
Anyway, it didn't work.

snip

EDIT..
Just googled your 'quick 1354 receiver' and it seems that it can be programmed to accept any 4 channel 433Mhz transmitter.
http://www.quicknauticalequipment.com/resources/downloads_qne-prod/1/ricevitore 135x r002f.pdf

thanks, I am also confused as it seems that it can be programmed, but it looks like there's two types of transmitters, the rolling code ones and the fixed code ones. Further I've no idea what this 32bit code means...

going to check with my garage remote and will be back!

cheers

V.
 
no luck with my garage remotes...

OK, they are 433.92MHz BUT they are rolling code.
Tried programming them system works, I can empty the memory of the controller, but no mater what, Quick doesn't understand the key presses on the fob.

fwiw, the fobs are:

SEAV be happy RS3

so anyone can suggest a non-rolling code 433MHz remote with 32bit code (I guess that means MANY codes to choose from as I've seen some cheapos with 400or so codes...)

Also tried with the car fob, no luck either.

any place to buy an original Quick as well wouldn't go amiss!

cheers

V.
 
Looks like they have an online shop too. ( i maybe looking at the wrong things though)

http://www.quicknauticalequipment.com/?lng=en&cs1=01&ms1=2&ms2=2&ms3=22&ctm=0

you are right MrB, they have a shop, but they also seem to have discontinued my fixed code receiver :(
All the remotes on sale there (and on ebay) are for the FSK (i.e. rolling code, not fixed) and are not compatible with mine.

Odd thing is that I cannot find any compatible (or original) in the internet/ebay.

cheers

V.
 
you are right MrB, they have a shop, but they also seem to have discontinued my fixed code receiver :(
All the remotes on sale there (and on ebay) are for the FSK (i.e. rolling code, not fixed) and are not compatible with mine.

Odd thing is that I cannot find any compatible (or original) in the internet/ebay.

cheers

V.

Sorry, i was only looking at the name and pictures lol.:o Maybe worth an email though.
 
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slightly more confused...

Went to the local el. shop that carries in stock various transmitters this morning. Tried two fixed code ones, didn't work.
Guy was confused as he claims that for the fixed code remotes to work, you NEED a working remote to copy the codes from?

So looks like I got to contact QUICK and give them the S/N on the sticker inside the box in order to get a remote from them, and THEN get it down to the shop to copy it over to a few more.
Back to trying to contact QUICK then. If only there was an email in their online shop, they get you through a registration first and blah blah blah...

cheers

V.
 
I registered with them too to get info for you, received two emails but still waiting for the third 30 hours later to let me view the shop. What a way to do business?? mad! :ambivalence:
 
update,

Quick SpA came back to me! A nice lady explained that the system was discontinued a few years back, so nothing they can do other than suggest I upgrade my receiver to another model and get matching rolling code remotes :(

Further, I've found 3 companies selling these remotes (very distinctive shape), NONE of them bothered replying to my emails, so I'm obviously not ordering one off them through their online shop. (Prices from 80-100euro each)

Finally contacted ALMAR and they said they have a last one that are happy to sell for (sit down please) 246euro (delivered) FFS!!!

Now, I have a few options:

  • Get a new quick receiver (R 904, four relay), fit it in my existing box and get a few matching remotes. Cheapest I've found was in the states for around 200USD delivered (unknown tax on top...) and then the price of remotes on top (50-60quid each)
  • Get a 10quid deal on a Chinese 4channel rolling code receiver and a 2matching remotes (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC12V-4-C...d=100009&prg=9173&rk=6&rkt=10&sd=400714696854) and get a few more extra remotes (for a few quid each) and be done with. All systems have 10A relays (plenty to actuate the electrovalves) when the original had 5A ones (at 24V for both cases)
    Friend has such a receiver on his diy passarelle for 5yrs now with zero problems.
  • Get some other obscure IPwhatever rated system for reasonable or not so prices... Check this fe (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Watchguar...AU_Home_Personal_Security&hash=item3a876d2987) Wonder if it's worth it


I may need up to 6 or 7 remotes, so getting a decent marine setup is going to cost stupid money (unless I can get a couple of decent ones and get some 2quid ones for the rest...)

Only viable solution seems to be the 10quid one (or get a similar one locally)


cheers


V.
 
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It maybe worth PMing Angus McDoon over on PBO forum, he's quite the electronics expert and makes this kind of stuff all the time.
 
It maybe worth PMing Angus McDoon over on PBO forum, he's quite the electronics expert and makes this kind of stuff all the time.
good idea, but he's into custom making clever simple things, don't think he's got any reason to re-invent the wheel so to speak. IIRC he does use cheap(ish) components. Mind, QUICK themselves use Chinese relays on the board I have (not that it means anything...)

Cheap ones on eBay, no brainier.
yep, I don't think you can go too wrong for a tenner (delivered!), compared to spending 300 odd quid for a proper marine system :rolleyes:
Worse that can happen is that if it fails (which I cannot see why it would), so I have to leave temporarily the passerelle in a position I can easily jump in, no great deal...
Not to mention that at this price I could get a few kits (for the extra remotes) and have a few boards spare onboard :D


cheers

V.
 
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