TSB240
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For all you welsh speakers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b73l9v
It is in Welsh!
The gist is that under Gwynedd Council they have run down the marina and let it silt up offering less service year on year to berth holders. Last year's income was £350,000 less than eight years ago, down from £1,680,000 to £1,322,000. It seems inevitable that operation and/or ownership will have to be transferred into private hands. This may have implications for the other Marina in the same councils ownership at Caernarfon which has been treated similarly and requires some urgent maintenance dredging that was promised for earlier this year.
I have done my best to translate it into English hence some "odd" translations.....Google Translate at its best!
Gwynedd Council is responsible for the site and BBC Radio Cymru Detail program has heard criticism that the authority has not looked after the resources effectively enough since they took over from Dwyfor District Council in the 1990's.
The council say they accept that improvements need to be introduced and that £ 300,000 will be spent later this year on the dredging of the marina and harbour.
'Resources get worse'
In an interview with Manylu, Ifor Hughes, Chairman of the Association of Llyn Boat Owners Association said that the prices rise every year and the resources aggravated: "When you paid for your moorings years ago, were you getting lot more about your brass
"The harbor master was going to put ropes, which made sure the boat was safe before you got used, but they've got rid of that all right now.
"Jest pays good" now, and all the boats dry out. She's sad now - I've never seen her so empty and how many places are needed but the people do not miss them. "
Berths empty
There are 500 Berthing spaces in the marina - the Hafan - and the outer harbour on the trots. 150 were vacant up to two weeks ago.
With each boat owner paying annual costs of £ 400 per meter-long boat, Gwynedd Council, who owns both places loses significant income,
Last year's income was £350,000 less than eight years ago, down from £1,680,000 to £1,322,000.
Ifor Hughes believes that boat owners stay away because they can not use their boats when they want to.
"If the basin and the river are well dredged, many boats can get in and out as they were when the marina was made in the first place years ago.
"But it's left, it's filled, there's too much mud and sand there. They have not been doing it enough and have not made it to a good enough standard."
Overcrowded in the '80s
Although the plans for a marina in the 1980s were strongly opposed due to concerns about the impact of the development on the language, the old Dwyfor District Council decided to proceed with the plans.
Pwllheli Town Councilor, Meic Parry was the Chairman of the District Council when they transferred the Marina to Gwynedd Council's care in 1996.
"It was at its peak at the time, a waiting list, the place was crowded," he said. "Access, 24 hours a day. Today is unfortunate, it's nothing like it was."
He says: "There is a lack of investment that is blameless about the location of the harbour.
"I could say that the Hafan has brought them in the region of £10m to £15m of profit over the years, but they have not reinvested it, that is the great weakness.
"They've milked her out of money, and if you still crawl a cow, get dried up at the end, and that's unfortunately is the situation of the harbour right now."
The authority will spend £ 300,000 there later this year on the dredging of the marina and harbour, and removing the sand and waste that has collected there over the years.
The authority accepts the need to look at how to improve things.
'Selling as an option'
Economy and leisure portfolio holder, councilor Ioan Thomas, said: "I absolutely accept people are not happy with the current situation and therefore I have set up a project board.
"This project board consists of two local councilors in Pwllheli and we have met representatives of people with boats in the Haven, we've talked to business, and the officials have talked to the town councilors and the Dwyfor area.
"There are several options open to us including sale, and although no one has yet mentioned anything about privatisation, it will be an option."
Gwynedd Council and the project board looking at the future of Pwllheli Harbour will not make a decision until the end of the year.
According to Meic Parry, it is inevitable that the authority will have to transfer it to someone else to run on their behalf. "It is very difficult for an authority to run 24 hour call services, seven days a week."
"It's not an area where they should be in it, and the truth is true. They can put it in private hands, but the terms need to be reasonable considering the work needed there.
"They will be someone who will need plenty of brass. "
Anybody seen a for sale sign yet?
Gwynedd Council are always talking,waiting and forming committees to look into things. Actions would mean actually having to do some work. It looks like milking the cow is no longer an option...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b73l9v
It is in Welsh!
The gist is that under Gwynedd Council they have run down the marina and let it silt up offering less service year on year to berth holders. Last year's income was £350,000 less than eight years ago, down from £1,680,000 to £1,322,000. It seems inevitable that operation and/or ownership will have to be transferred into private hands. This may have implications for the other Marina in the same councils ownership at Caernarfon which has been treated similarly and requires some urgent maintenance dredging that was promised for earlier this year.
I have done my best to translate it into English hence some "odd" translations.....Google Translate at its best!
Gwynedd Council is responsible for the site and BBC Radio Cymru Detail program has heard criticism that the authority has not looked after the resources effectively enough since they took over from Dwyfor District Council in the 1990's.
The council say they accept that improvements need to be introduced and that £ 300,000 will be spent later this year on the dredging of the marina and harbour.
'Resources get worse'
In an interview with Manylu, Ifor Hughes, Chairman of the Association of Llyn Boat Owners Association said that the prices rise every year and the resources aggravated: "When you paid for your moorings years ago, were you getting lot more about your brass
"The harbor master was going to put ropes, which made sure the boat was safe before you got used, but they've got rid of that all right now.
"Jest pays good" now, and all the boats dry out. She's sad now - I've never seen her so empty and how many places are needed but the people do not miss them. "
Berths empty
There are 500 Berthing spaces in the marina - the Hafan - and the outer harbour on the trots. 150 were vacant up to two weeks ago.
With each boat owner paying annual costs of £ 400 per meter-long boat, Gwynedd Council, who owns both places loses significant income,
Last year's income was £350,000 less than eight years ago, down from £1,680,000 to £1,322,000.
Ifor Hughes believes that boat owners stay away because they can not use their boats when they want to.
"If the basin and the river are well dredged, many boats can get in and out as they were when the marina was made in the first place years ago.
"But it's left, it's filled, there's too much mud and sand there. They have not been doing it enough and have not made it to a good enough standard."
Overcrowded in the '80s
Although the plans for a marina in the 1980s were strongly opposed due to concerns about the impact of the development on the language, the old Dwyfor District Council decided to proceed with the plans.
Pwllheli Town Councilor, Meic Parry was the Chairman of the District Council when they transferred the Marina to Gwynedd Council's care in 1996.
"It was at its peak at the time, a waiting list, the place was crowded," he said. "Access, 24 hours a day. Today is unfortunate, it's nothing like it was."
He says: "There is a lack of investment that is blameless about the location of the harbour.
"I could say that the Hafan has brought them in the region of £10m to £15m of profit over the years, but they have not reinvested it, that is the great weakness.
"They've milked her out of money, and if you still crawl a cow, get dried up at the end, and that's unfortunately is the situation of the harbour right now."
The authority will spend £ 300,000 there later this year on the dredging of the marina and harbour, and removing the sand and waste that has collected there over the years.
The authority accepts the need to look at how to improve things.
'Selling as an option'
Economy and leisure portfolio holder, councilor Ioan Thomas, said: "I absolutely accept people are not happy with the current situation and therefore I have set up a project board.
"This project board consists of two local councilors in Pwllheli and we have met representatives of people with boats in the Haven, we've talked to business, and the officials have talked to the town councilors and the Dwyfor area.
"There are several options open to us including sale, and although no one has yet mentioned anything about privatisation, it will be an option."
Gwynedd Council and the project board looking at the future of Pwllheli Harbour will not make a decision until the end of the year.
According to Meic Parry, it is inevitable that the authority will have to transfer it to someone else to run on their behalf. "It is very difficult for an authority to run 24 hour call services, seven days a week."
"It's not an area where they should be in it, and the truth is true. They can put it in private hands, but the terms need to be reasonable considering the work needed there.
"They will be someone who will need plenty of brass. "
Anybody seen a for sale sign yet?
Gwynedd Council are always talking,waiting and forming committees to look into things. Actions would mean actually having to do some work. It looks like milking the cow is no longer an option...
