Probs on the boat next to you. What do you do?

[pelissima]

This was last year at Kioni Ithaca, and the other boat was to windward.
Three hours later the guy came back, looked around astonished for long and vanished for sleep without a word. Next day we left.
Thank all for your thoughts.
Rgds
George

 

[WayneS]

Well said.

Reminds me of the little story I read a while ago where someone who had recently returned from and extend cruise came across a little old lady who had somehow managed to get her car straddeling the cental reservation in a London street.

While he rushed over to help, everyone else went on by looking the other way.

Where have all our manners gone.

I don't think that we are selfish because of litigation. I think we have litigation because we are now selfish. Sad.

Wayne

 

[Sybarite]

Can you imagine collapsing and people walking past you for fear of legal action????

In France you would face legal action if you didn't. It's called "non-assistance aux personnes en danger" and it applies too if you see somebody being mugged and you don't try to help. Maybe that's why there is less here.

John

 

[Twister_Ken]

Missing information

Is the dragee an AWB, or something rather nicer?

I mean, if the insurance will pay for a new one, shiny from the mould and reeking of Styrene, all well and good. But if it's something rare and delightful, then different rules apply.

 

[Grehan]

Missing, believed lost

Right!

AWB . .

. . . now "AWB", I'm sure I should know what that is . .

Possibly an AWB, possibly a Something Nicer.

And dragee would be wot got dragged, n'est ce pas? But Grehan did emerge from a mould ten years ago, smelling of styrene, and she's rare and delightful too. I dunno, Brian.

[hey it's great to see you around again, senor]

All Wooden Boat?
God I feel so bloody ignorant. Go on, put me out my misery.

 

[Sybarite]

I was in the marina at Bonifacio a few years ago when a fishing boat steamed out at full power to go to the assistance of a boat in danger. A pretentious git of a yacht owner went to remonstrate with him afterwards for the potential damage he could have caused to the rigging ; he even tried to get us to sign a petition.

He continued his protestations from the water....

John

 

[Sybarite]

In my younger days I got a telephone call at work from the local boatman saying that as he thought it had not been my intention to leave the boat on the rocks on the island offshore, he had put it back on its mooring.

John

 

[Twister_Ken]

AWB = Average White Boat. nm

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[Grehan]

Re: AWB = Average White Boat. nm

Ah.
I do remember the Average White Band. Not much cop.
Gracias.

 

[Birdseye]

You can answer without knowledge of the Greek legal system. And even then, you as a foreigner are more vulnerable.

In the UK, the only sensible action is no action. Most people are decent, but there are some who would use your "assistance" as the basis for a claim, and there is no shortage of lawyers to back them up. The outcome would be a lottery, so why take the risk?

Sad, but as with everything from road accidents to muggings and thefts, the sensible response is to cross the road and walk by. Dont get involved.

 

[jimi]

Responses of this nature sadden me and IMHO is indicative of much of the problems with modern society. I just hope you're not on the next boat when I've a problem or you're not the one walking past if I'm being mugged..

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: AWB = Average White Boat. nm

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Ah.
I do remember the Average White Band. Not much cop.
Gracias.

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Particularly well named. That's of course if they were white.

 

[Guest]

It's also wrong, because you almost certainly couldn't be sued in those circs.

 

[fireball]

Years ago we used to run dinghy courses from the club and I (being a student) usually ran the support boats. Every year there was an incident that involved us helping out some third party who ran into difficulties - only once was I told to "get the sail board" rather than pickup the person ... I picked up the person anyway cos I wasn't about to struggle with a sailboard!
I continue to do the same thing - and if I see anyone in trouble I will either offer assistance or call the harbour master (it is usually in the harbour!) as they tend to be around.
We continue to keep an eye on the other boats in our moorings and if there is a particular problem then suitable action is taken - and a phone call to the owner to let them know... it may result in the problem boat not being tied up in quite the manner that the owner likes, but if it saves further damage it is perfectly acceptable.

IMO this sort of assistance is essential to continue the absense of required qualifications, otherwise the lifeboat incidents will start to go through the roof and government will start to act on rising figures (not the only factor I know).

 

[Melody]

I always understood that a vessel had a duty to render assistance to another in distress. Does anyone know the actual wording?

 

[Cutter]

Interesting about the situation in France. We chartered in Corsica some years back and spent a night in a lovely bay. Stern line ashore, anchor well dug in (apparantly). Wind dies at dusk and all is well with the world. One other boat in the vicinty (French). Come 0200 wind gets up, funnelling down a gully and blowing across us. Anchor drags and we swing on the stern rope. Nasty sharp rocks appear so over the side and stand on rocks to keep boat off. Start engine but dont engage prop. Franch appear - well call for some assisstance, Gallic shrug and down they go. Pull up on anchor which allows some grace and swim ashore to cast off stern rope. Manage to get it in without wrapping the prop! Sudden gust puts us free again and we end up along the other boat. Decide to hold on them while we take stock and I put some clothes on. Angry Frenchman appears and swears, unties our lines and gives us what for.
Definitely French (not another charter) - so interested to hear about the requirement to give assistance.

 

[Joe_Cole]

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Sad, but as with everything from road accidents to muggings and thefts, the sensible response is to cross the road and walk by. Dont get involved.

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Sorry, but if your boat is near mine and something needs to be done then I <u>will</u> get involved. I will take care and do it to the best of my ability and if you then want to try suing me I will fight.......hard. Very hard!

As others have said, if appropriate the first thing will be a claim for salvage.

It seems crazy to turn your back on giving assistance when you are in a position to do so. I hope RNLI don't take this stance! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Sgeir]

In Defence of the AWB (Average White Band)

Little bit unkind. Fine musicians, though I'll grant you that they were not everyone's cup of tea. AWB was a kind of blues/funk band, but were unusual in that they played some hard post-bop jazz classics. Jim Mullen was/is a fine guitarist and, based in London, still active on the jazz scene.

 

[Grehan]

OK

. . keep on truckin'

 

[Grehan]

Wherezat come from?

[ QUOTE ]

. . fast-forward to 1936 and a blues guitarist named Blind Boy Fuller, a contemporary of [Jorma's main influence] Rev. Gary Davis. Fuller made a series of recordings for the American Record Corporation (ARC), among them one that he called "Truckin' My Blues Away," whose chorus is identical to the Hot Tuna track. A couple of years later, Fuller returned to the same melody for another risque blues called "What's That Smell Like Fish."

Jorma, who began singing a version of "Keep On Truckin'" as early as college, borrowed Carleton's original melody as coopted by Tampa Red and Blind Boy Fuller, the chorus of "Truckin' My Blues Away," and the key phrase and a handful of other lines from "What's That Smell Like Fish" to construct his own classic.

But where Blind Boy Fuller suggested in his song that the answer to the question he posed could very well be "sardines but it ain't in no can," Jorma left the particular kind of fish out of his interpretation and answered instead with the name of his group. .

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http://www.gotarevolution.com/keeptruckin.htm

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