Princess v Ferretti - compare and contrast

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Came across this video on TouTube yesterday

Quite a contrast between the way the Princess 60 handled the sea conditions (1.20 onwards) and the Ferretti 670 (9.30 onwards). If I ran the Ferretti marketing dept, I'd send the link to every prospective customer. In fact, dare I say that the Ferretti handled the conditions so well, it could almost be an Itama ;)
 
I watched that video a few days ago, the Ferretti does look pretty good, almost imperious as it went out to sea.
To be fair to the Princess though, I though the waves looked steeper and bigger at that point in the video.
There are quite a few Youtube videos of Haulover Beach - it gets pretty wild. Its amazing what conditions some people will go out in and in what.
 
Among the boats in this video, the sportfisherman at 8:45 gets my vote as best tool for the job.
Ref. Prin vs. Fer, there's more than a bit better conditions playing in favour of the latter, imho: sheer size/weight, and a better helmsman.
 
Benign conditions for the much larger Ferretti (was it stabilized?). But my vote goes for that sleek creature at the beginning of the vid with five outboards.
 
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Less waves...more speed for the ferret.

The princess looked like it was in its Achilles Heal wave length at that particular speed. Is it half the hull length or something like that at displacement speed? More speed!

I 2nd Bouba. 65ft....5 outboards.....love it! A flying fuel tank with seats ?
 
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Firstly two different things going on .
Up wind and down wind , with the valves .
So the 1 st up that Bouba likes is a with the waves / down wind .
All those coming in returning boats sea keeping is null and void as a tea tray would be the same , indeed some where actually surfing .
So it’s the ones going out L to R of screen ........comparing those .
Mikes comparison....// ....
Ok it’s arguably a it less sea state for the F but nether the less the P makes a pigs ear of its exit .
It obvious to me it’s not just a slightly bigger sea ....the P s boats hull form is so much inferior than the F .

I recall the mag reviewing the P 67 and diplomatically commenting on it’s low speed slamming , necessitating them having to back off .Hugo / Jack walking that fine line in there writings of on one hand not bitting the hand that feeds you ( P were mag clients in ads ) and the other of not loosing credibility.They pulled it off .

Complex subject sea keeping its the sum of all the little parts , not one or two and ignore the others .
Deadrise is just a marker .The centre of gravity in relation to the centre of lift , the fineness of the other sections in between the transom and bow etc . AoA , how much stern sinking or conversely stern lift is generated all effects the impact forces on where .

Theres no point having a decent deadrise and fine entry if the Ao A is such the front 1/2 of the boat is out of the water and the sea hits first mostly station 5 the middle of the hull = slam .More so of that area has been “ artificially “ widened from a flat floor pov in a mid cabin .And theres a ruddy huge kg s worth of tender hanging on the bathing platform.
And the engines are too weedy to gain sufficient natural stern lift at 30 + knots as opposed to 22 knots .

Ferreti FB s are powerful boats with nice straight shafts and well balanced tanks etc .The extra stern lift is from a slighter wider beam for the L , but riding at a better AoA means the finer bow sections get the hit and slice / part waves better than the P .
optimal AoA is 4 degrees or less for a fast planing boats ....that’s the gold std .
 
Hey Mike
Firstly, I would prefer to be in the bar not going out in anything like that.

But the reason the Princess didn't fair as well as the Ferretti is because the guys in the Ferretti knew what they were doing.
In this case, speed was the key.
The Princess was going so slowly that the rudders weren't even working properly and every wave it buried its bows.
Just a bit more power and it would have been a different story.
Not only did the Princess guy drive badly, he didn't secure the tender properly - no excuse loosing a tender in those conditions.
Fenders not properly stowed.
And where was his crew?

BTW
I always spot those who know what to do - they are always standing up.
Just think about it - It is always those skippers who are sitting down whilst manoeuvring that get into trouble.
Just an observation.
Personally, I like to see as much of my boat as possible when manoeuvring.
 
Don't think you can draw conclusions about the boats from that, I think it shows more about the relative experience of the people driving them.
 
I would say there's a load of bolloxs quoted in this thread.
Its all to do with the helmsman capability in those brief unusual seas.
I would imagine the Ferretti had a pro skipper
 
Portofino said:
Ferreti FB s are powerful boats with nice straight shafts and well balanced tanks etc.
The extra stern lift is from a slighter wider beam for the L
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The F670 actually runs on V-drives.
And it's easy to guess that her pretty flat hull (11°) has more to see with stern lift at slow speed than her beam.
She's in fact a tad narrower than Deleted User's F630, believe it or not.
Just sayin'.
 
MapisM said:
The F670 actually runs on V-drives.
And it's easy to guess that her pretty flat hull (11°) has more to see with stern lift at slow speed than her beam.
She's in fact a tad narrower than Deleted User's F630, believe it or not.
Just sayin'.
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Second vid shows the AoA Point ......keeping the nose down and letting the fine forefront slice through .
As said CoG and CoL need to be as close as possible .
The ones that flounder have the TOTAL weight too far back .V drives achieve a lower shaft angle .lower Shaft angles facilitate lower AoA .

Theres no 5 year olds employed by the yards to randomly “draw a boat children “ the designers within there briefs know exactly what they are doing .Marketing boys controlling the “ brief “ .Bean counters looking over the Mkt boys shoulders as well .

Equally the guys berthing in Haulover creek know the conditions with a wind over the current .The have made a conscious decision to boat there and you can’t play the “ they are novice card “ know not what they are doing - when helming out in those conditions . I,am sure with that sub set of helms there’s plenty of pontoon talk and country club talk of how best to attempt breaking out .
To dismiss the floundering boats as “ none professionals “ or label the Ferretti as “ professional skipper “ is the same attitude of the Labour Party saying they did not loose the election , it’s huge loss was nothing to do with the policies ...it was the skipper !

Accept no ones interested or very few in hull design , it’s not flagged up @ boat shows and the boat sales techniques don’t encourage test drives ...some sort of mobility test .Often buying decisions are made at static display shows , interior layouts , fridge sizes , prawn grilling griddle capabilities :)have been said to be more important previously by forum members , galley location etc etc .

“Its a boat my 5 year old can draw one “ .
” It’s got more glass let’s more light in than [ insert rival ] .....so must be a better boat .
” The floors flat no steps than [ insert rival ] .....therefore gotta be a better boat .
“ kitchens at the back .....buy it “

Underneath bit is out of sight mind that’s is the attitude .
 
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Estrella in first clip is gorgeous, gorgeous. Brave decision to own something that size with outboards.

What on earth is one person in a polis boat who can’t see any more than from the shore expecting to achieve?

Haulover looks like Chichester bar on a quiet day. Think I might set up a YouTube channel from Hayling Island. :LOL:
 
benjenbav said:
Estrella in first clip is gorgeous, gorgeous. Brave decision to own something that size with outboards.

What on earth is one person in a polis boat who can’t see any more than from the shore expecting to achieve?

Haulover looks like Chichester bar on a quiet day. Think I might set up a YouTube channel from Hayling Island. :LOL:
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And if that works well you could expand the coverage to Les Sable D`Olonne, Cap Breton and Zumaya plus many others around the Bay of Biscay. :D
 
I love these videos, Haulover, ZipZap etc etc pity you do not see any Itama's calming the sea around. :p

Having helmed Ferretti and also Princess I might add the following which not many would tell you.
Ferretti hull has usually a more moderate deadrise to Princess (new Princess are the same to be exact) but Fer has always been on average around 15 degrees from nineties onward.
But beyond the technical details I was always impressed how Ferretti actually run good in speeds in the 11 - 20 knots bracket.
While Princess and Fairline (kinda a mark in the Olesinski hulls) need to go beyond 18/20 knots to start to run well.
The problem that some of there Pr/Fair models have also not that a good CoG so kinda when its rough it kinda difficult to find that sweet spot.

BTW the Ferretti 670 looks really magnificent in that video. The new designer Salvetti is really doing a good job in taking the brand forward after two decades plus of Zuccon (who gave a strong identity to Ferretti), and now I am interested to see what he do with the bigger models.

One last point as Mapis points out Sportfishermans win many times as this video of some Vikings points out. For those crazy about deadrise Vikings all close about 10 - 13 aft.
 
Watching the Princess in the first video, what was the helmsman doing wrong?
on the way out he was going pretty slow over the breaking waves, would going faster have helped? If so what sort of speed for a boat that big? On the way back in it seemed to me he was just going too slow and the incoming waves were pushing the stern about. So would more speed would have reduced that ?
 
stelican said:
I would say there's a load of bolloxs quoted in this thread.
Its all to do with the helmsman capability in those brief unusual seas.
I would imagine the Ferretti had a pro skipper
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Lighten up and get a life. The thread was just a bit of fun ;)
 
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