Princess P52 flybridge

[henryf]

Yup I agree all that - for warm climates you want the galley-to-dining-table route as short and easy as possible, because your daytime living and eating is mostly outside. (I went to a lot of trouble to have an extra staircase in my boat to achieve this). But I can see that in colder climates this isn't so important. The boat builders however are dealing with sales to warm climates for the most part, and anyway the aft/high galley still works ok-ishly in cold/medium climates.

What you really want is a dumb waiter to move stuff between galley and flybridge. I'm not convinced internal stairs to the Flybridge are a full solution, usually fiddly stairs which need hand holding and so no scope for carrying stuff. A service lift makes it easy.

Henry

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

What you really want is a dumb waiter to move stuff between galley and flybridge. I'm not convinced internal stairs to the Flybridge are a full solution, usually fiddly stairs which need hand holding and so no scope for carrying stuff. A service lift makes it easy.

The only boat I've ever seen with a dumb waiter to the flybridge from the galley is the Fleming 55 but it's such a good idea I do wonder why other builders haven't incorporated it. Maybe it could be another bit of customisation on Match 3?

 

[jfm]

The only boat I've ever seen with a dumb waiter to the flybridge from the galley is the Fleming 55 but it's such a good idea I do wonder why other builders haven't incorporated it. Maybe it could be another bit of customisation on Match 3?

I was assuming henri's post was a bit TiC but now I see you are serious . Maybe d/waiters work fine, I dunno. My feeling is that the faff of putting the stuff in, then closing the door, then pressing the button, then taking them out 6 feet away at the other end of the ride, then shutting the door again is so much hassle that you'd always prefer to take them down the 7 steps or so. In my boat the crew do a human chain: one is at top of flybr stairs while t'other is at bottom in the galley, and they just hand stuff up/down without any stair walking, so it's sort of a dumb waiter concept but without the actual gizmo. This is a lot faster than any dumb waiter gizmo and I definitely wont be having any d/waiter on Match3!. Basically a nice waitress beats a dumb waiter every day of the week

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I was assuming henri's post was a bit TiC but now I see you are serious . Maybe d/waiters work fine, I dunno. My feeling is that the faff of putting the stuff in, then closing the door, then pressing the button, then taking them out 6 feet away at the other end of the ride, then shutting the door again is so much hassle that you'd always prefer to take them down the 7 steps or so. In my boat the crew do a human chain: one is at top of flybr stairs while t'other is at bottom in the galley, and they just hand stuff up/down without any stair walking, so it's sort of a dumb waiter concept but without the actual gizmo. This is a lot faster than any dumb waiter gizmo and I definitely wont be having any d/waiter on Match3!. Basically a nice waitress beats a dumb waiter every day of the week

I'm serious. On my boat I don't often have 'human chains' just a dumb waitress (no offence dear ) and she's often on strike. A dumb waiter would be a good idea for transporting my G & T and bowl of olives up to the flybridge. Btw I think the Fleming one is, er, manual not powered so I suppose that definitely means it won't get fitted to Match 3

 

[acbruce]

The new Beneteau Swift Trawler 50 has it too. It looks shamelessly copied from Fleming to me but then imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

The only boat I've ever seen with a dumb waiter to the flybridge from the galley is the Fleming 55 but it's such a good idea I do wonder why other builders haven't incorporated it. Maybe it could be another bit of customisation on Match 3?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The new Beneteau Swift Trawler 50 has it too. It looks shamelessly copied from Fleming to me but then imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Ah ha, so its not just me who thinks its a good idea. Canny bunch these Froggies, they obviously know what sells boats

 

[jfm]

the Fleming one is, er, manual not powered

Oh christ no, that's just rubbish

 

[henryf]

I was serious.

More galley / internal space. Either load it up and do one trip yourself or else have the crew work seamlessly on your behalf, one up top one down below. Clearing away afterwards, just bung everything in and deal with it in the galley.

To be fair on the Princess 82 there's enough room for a proper set of stairs where the toilet goes behind the helm seat......


Might still be worth fitting one, you don't want to be left out when they are next years must have fixture.


Henry

 

[Hurricane]

I don't object to galley up per-se although it does limit the size of appliances in "smaller" boats particularly when you are also trying to bring the outside into the boat with massive windows / walls of glass.

Henry

I'm not convinced internal stairs to the Flybridge are a full solution, usually fiddly stairs which need hand holding and so no scope for carrying stuff. A service lift makes it easy.

Sorry Henry - cant agree with you on both those points.
Not getting at you - as Nick says no design will suit everyone

One of the big attractions when we bought our old Sealine T51 was that the galley and dinette were all at the saloon level.
When we entertain, SWMBO likes to be part of the conversation.
Not that she cooks all the time - sometimes I do the cooking - it makes our visitors really appreciate eating out!!
And our P67 is almost a mirror image of the layout of the old Sealine - just much bigger.

Now to the internal stairs - ours are really easy to ascend and descend even carrying crockery and drinks - and even (especially) at sea.

Years ago before we bought a boat, we used to call them the silly internal stairs whenever we visited a boat show.
We are real converts to them and as Nick says we wouldn't want a boat without them.
In fact the big three UK builders don't actually offer one as standard anymore.

I believe that they have designs for one on their new 82 (I wonder where those designs came from -no prizes) but an internal staircase isn't part of the standard design.

 

[jfm]

just bung everything in and deal with it in the galley.

Yup, if it's best part of a cubic metre! The Fleming one is more of a one-item-at-a-time pass through, iirc

To be fair on the Princess 82 there's enough room for a proper set of stairs where the toilet goes behind the helm seat

There is indeed! I saw a sketched design somewhere on the internet...

you don't want to be left out when they are next years must have fixture.

Hmmm. I think I'm prepared to take that risk Henry...

 

[Hurricane]

Actually, I rather like the Princess 82
Probably a bit big for just SWMBO and I although I'm sure it is just as easy to handle as any other.

 

[jfm]

Actually, I rather like the Princess 82
Probably a bit big for just SWMBO and I although I'm sure it is just as easy to handle as any other.

Me too - in very many respects it is a seriously nice machine. You'd find it a piece of cake to handle (with aft cockpit controls). Easier than p67

 

[sharpness]

Me too - in very many respects it is a seriously nice machine.

Do I sense Match 3 in the making ?

 

[jfm]

Do I sense Match 3 in the making ?

No no! I'm happily going to cruise Match 2 this season. New boat order wont be before next year, or until I find a <24m boat that outdoes Match2 by a big enough margin to justify the effort of changing, and while p82 is very nice I'm not sure it's that. Anyway I have another non boat but very nice project going on this year which involves a bit of cash consumption

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

No no! I'm happily going to cruise Match 2 this season. New boat order wont be before next year, or until I find a <24m boat that outdoes Match2 by a big enough margin to justify the effort of changing, and while p82 is very nice I'm not sure it's that. Anyway I have another non boat but very nice project going on this year which involves a bit of welding

Fixed that for you...

 

[lanerboy]

jimmy
reading your adapted quote from JFM I just wondered if he had spent too long in clarksons company and was building some monstrosity to float around the med in

a couple of old French postal vans welded together and shafts fitted with lumishore lighting lol

 

[bik3man]

Well, Princess is finally making more Sportscruisers with a flybridge (The S80 which I suppose is based on the V78 will be absolutely brilliant), and they still have the galley down where it belongs, so now everybody can be happy

 

[Powersalt]

Hmmm a wind of change going on with Princess I believe. Not all good, so much so that it might even change Henry's opinion on the customer care side!!!

 

[henryf]

Hmmm a wind of change going on with Princess I believe. Not all good, so much so that it might even change Henry's opinion on the customer care side!!!

I judge as I find. So far so good.

I was a bit windy over the weekend but that was down to trying out the new Indian down the road from us.

If anything changes I will let you know

Henry

 

[henryf]

Well, Princess is finally making more Sportscruisers with a flybridge (The S80 which I suppose is based on the V78 will be absolutely brilliant), and they still have the galley down where it belongs, so now everybody can be happy

Just been on their site and seen the S72. (Forgive me, I don't pay much attention to what's going on around me these days).

Gorgeous

I still get a flybridge overhang over the cockpit but it's sporty enough that Jimmy the project manager will stop buying me pipes and slippers for Christmas

H.