jimi
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Hmmm ..
Price vs Value of used Moody yachts
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Hmmm ..
pvb
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Seriously, I think the way older Westerly/Moody/etc boats were built was so incredibly casual that some will have heavier lay-up than others. There was nothing faintly scientific about their hull construction, just loads of glass cloth and men with buckets of resin. In contrast, today's AWBs are computer-designed and the reinforcing cloth is pre-cut to precise shapes (and, importantly, orientation) to achieve optimum strength. Some AWBs (Jeanneau is one) use vacuum-bagged resin infusion to achieve even more control.
dom
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In fact you are both right: a little known fact is that Archimedes gave heavily build old Vritish and Scandi boats a dispensation from his principle, so the measurement of weight will afford a false reading.
What you are referring to is mass and yes of course, it's far thicker than that modern rubbish
jimi
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Here's some figure from the S38 review
dilly
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I have a moody 346 mine is a 1986 model owned it for 10 years there's a yacht next to me its same size and probably over 20 years newer and you would probably struggle to pick the better of the two.
there's a 346 I was across the way for me hasn't been touched 2 and a half years was taken out of water this winter I was very interested in the boat. it was Professional cleaned and it's come up like brand new they did moisture readings on the hull they came back fine. and has been sat un touch for 2 and a half years I think yachts are becoming like cars not many people really want to buy something that will last 30 or 40 years they want to buy it at it cost they can afford and keep it for 10 years then get rid of it
there's a 346 I was across the way for me hasn't been touched 2 and a half years was taken out of water this winter I was very interested in the boat. it was Professional cleaned and it's come up like brand new they did moisture readings on the hull they came back fine. and has been sat un touch for 2 and a half years I think yachts are becoming like cars not many people really want to buy something that will last 30 or 40 years they want to buy it at it cost they can afford and keep it for 10 years then get rid of it
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Mrnotming
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We don't have much option. If finished with the yacht for whatever reason, the depreciation is now savage at the 10 year point.Because?
because there is no proper recycling scheme to rid the nations of a proportion of really MAB's.
Meanwhile the robotic factories continue to churn out new models at a dizzying pace.
Result, unlike 405/625 line analogue TV's we have the detritus of a modern building material spread lightly over our shores.
There has to be some justification in end of life schemes for Caravans,Motorhomes and GRP MABs.Steel rusts at least! Ferro cement provides a secure reef for marine species.
It is some way off yet as many MABs can become live aboards in more sheltered inland waters and estuaries, providing some more enjoyment and perhaps an introduction to boats for younger folk who need release from 4 walls at weekends.
because there is no proper recycling scheme to rid the nations of a proportion of really MAB's.
Meanwhile the robotic factories continue to churn out new models at a dizzying pace.
Result, unlike 405/625 line analogue TV's we have the detritus of a modern building material spread lightly over our shores.
There has to be some justification in end of life schemes for Caravans,Motorhomes and GRP MABs.Steel rusts at least! Ferro cement provides a secure reef for marine species.
It is some way off yet as many MABs can become live aboards in more sheltered inland waters and estuaries, providing some more enjoyment and perhaps an introduction to boats for younger folk who need release from 4 walls at weekends.
savageseadog
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I inspected a wrecked Westerly a few years ago, lying on the beach without its keels (I can't remember the model but it was about 26ft LOA)
I remember the quality of the keel floor construction was appallingly bad, probably the reason for it being wrecked.
Tranona
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Yes, the "built like a brick outhouse" Centaurs can be anything but. watched one disintegrate between the keels when it was blasted for osmosis treatment. Large areas of unwetted mat that had to be cut out and a whole new section of the hull moulded. Of course not all are like that but as those of us who were involved in boat building in the 70's and 80's know quality control was conspicuous by its absence, with much left to the operatives.
alant
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I seem to remember a 346, with a single bunk between the saloon & stern cabin, but most I've seen, have a galley inthat area.
Tranona
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Think you might be confusing that with the 37/376 which does have the passageway bunk as the extra length allows the galley to be at the back of the saloon area.
GrahamM376
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As you say, the galley is on opposite sides so the 376 has the pilot berth - noisy though if the engine's running. One point we like about most of the older designs is the settee berths which with lee cloths, are excellent. Most if not all of the modern designs we considered had horseshoe seating around the table and no decent sea berth.
wully1
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But more than anything I lament the lack of a modern wheelhouse yacht
There are a few out there but very,very expensive. That why folk tend to hang onto their Eclipse...
doug748
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I like a U shaped area in a boat it gets peoples arms and legs, and stuff, out of the way, esp non sailors who are not used to living small. I think It works as a sea berth provided the length is not compromised by designer corners
KellysEye
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Moodys have a much better build quality than AWBs hence the higher prices, HRs are the same.
Sticky Fingers
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That's certainly one view. Is it true though? And what evidence for that view?
Hence my Q.
dom
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Evidence! This debate is primarily about faith systems which in turn support strongly held beliefs. Far better to seek the definitive wisdoms from those who know; for raw evidence can so easily confuse us mere mortals
Sticky Fingers
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Ah right. "Proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."Quandary
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You might be right about the Moody but HR? They have been brilliant at establishing an up market image and their UK agents have supported that for decades with silly asking prices that folk now confuse with value. Have a really good look at a few. The main thing going for them is the perception of low depreciation but that is starting to fade now as more of them are subject to survey.
pvb
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Evidence! This debate is primarily about faith systems which in turn support strongly held beliefs. Far better to seek the definitive wisdoms from those who know; for raw evidence can so easily confuse us mere mortals
pvb
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He isn't right about 20-30 year old production Moody yachts, which were only of similar quality to Westerly yachts of the same era.
But let's consider Hallberg-Rassy. HR yachts are certainly well built (not "heavily built", but well built), and they're nicely finished inside, and they're fairly durable. I owned an HR352 for about 20 years; it was lovely and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But when the time came to move on, I wanted a brand new boat. So should I buy a new HR372 for around £400K, or a new Bavaria 37 for less than a third of the price? Both boats have major components from the same top-notch suppliers - eg Volvo Penta, Selden, Lewmar, Jabsco, SidePower, etc. I bought the Bavaria, it would have been very difficult for me to justify spending 3 times as much on a new HR.