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[PowerYachtBlog]

Re: The problem with generalisms

the current trend shows for boats with medium sized engines and a comfortable 15 - 20 cruising speed, thats where it seems the market is heading

some boats like the following are enjoying huge sucess
Grand Banks - always did but now even more
Menorquin -
Estensi Maine - Mapis may be you know about this...

SD is also now a growing trend in the 20 - 30 mtr market with builders like Ferretti Custom Line, Benetti and San Lorenzo presenting projects for this size range, to my knowledge Ferretti had a Navetta 27 in the end 90s, which did not have the accepted sucess hence stopped in production after a couple of years, we will see what will happen with the new Navetta 26 which looks very nice
that what I feel is the growing trend

as for the Wood properties I can tell you, that the flexible properties of wood versus that of fibre which is about 10-1 for wood (I might be wrong but i am quite close) and 3-1 for GRP
works so much better on a planning boat
in a wooden planning boat you just dont feel the bumps on the GRP one that you usuall will

IMO the current trend shows that planning boats will keep to be the market leaders with a huge increase in semi-planning boats with cruising speeds around over 15 knots

 

[Gludy]

Re: The problem with generalisms

But surely semi-planing is simply an SD boat, In practice there are a huge range of hull shapes between displacement and planing.

If these boats are used in say the 15 to 20 knot range they will use the same fuel as their planing equivaents do at say 25 to 30 knots and so the reason for the choice would be comfort. It when used as a slow comfortable boat that they really gain by offering both the comfort and the economy. I would add that they do need stablisers to offer the comfort.

 

[MapisM]

Re: The problem with generalisms

Yup, there are some properties of wood that make it interesting also with regard to the structural characteristics of the hull.
But the overall liveaboard confort remains the key factor, imho.
That's not very relevant anyway, when debating the industry trends.
Wood is obviously bound to disappear, regardless of its advantages, simply because upon the retirement of people capable of building wooden hulls there is nobody (well, almost) from the younger generations willing to replace them.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Re: The problem with generalisms

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Yup, there are some properties of wood that make it interesting also with regard to the structural characteristics of the hull.
But the overall liveaboard confort remains the key factor, imho.
That's not very relevant anyway, when debating the industry trends.
Wood is obviously bound to disappear, regardless of its advantages, simply because upon the retirement of people capable of building wooden hulls there is nobody (well, almost) from the younger generations willing to replace them.

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still Mapis I still see it as in Italy and not only, wood still enjoys a small niche sucess
yards like your own Azzurro or Camuffo, Diano, Castagnola seem to still be doing well

the problem is IMO that most people beleive that wooden boats are second class and less safe, something which is defintly not true

 

[MapisM]

Re: The problem with generalisms

Well, as you also say, it's a small niche.
And it can't grow mainly because it's the offer which has a very low volume capacity.
Each of those builders can make just a very few boats per year, and that's limited by the availability of proper expertise.
On the demand side, I found that most boaters - at least those with some experience - nowadays aren't so concerned about safety or "standing" of wooden boats.
They're rather concerned about higher maintenance costs, which is actually true, though maybe not as much as feared by many boaters.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Re: The problem with generalisms

personally I think especially since the advent of epoxy a well constructed 50 ft wooded boats will cost as much
as GRP vs STEEL vs ALLOY on a 10 yearly basis