Practical boat owners... really?

Re: Oh Dear Morgans for instance.

The Caterham stops,goes and can corner.Their owners prefer a car which has learnt from the past and has developed over the years.The Morgan is capable of none of these.People who buy Morgans just cling to the past like a old comfort blanket./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif.........Please join the 19th Century ASAP.

<hr width=100% size=1>If it aint broke fix it till it is.
 
Re: Oh Dear Morgans for instance.

Yes, but if your run over a sixpence (sorry, 5p piece!) in a Caterham, can you still tell if it's heads or tails?

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Re: Oh Dear Morgans for instance.

"The Caterham stops,goes and can corner"

This is not a valid argument in favour of the Caterham I'm afraid. A Sunseeker stops, goes and can corner but does that make it a better boat than my steel cutter?


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Re: Having owned both

wooden & GRP boats I'd reckon there is no contest. For me GRP suits very well. The sailing is the thing you see. So you can keep your sentiment or your touchy feely stuff. On the other hand I think that the suffering that is wooden boat ownership, and I know that to those so blessed or cursed with the need to scrape it's not all suffering, is to be commended otherwise I'd miss out on all of that beauty that you chaps look after for me. I once lived in the only new house in an area of grade two listeds and thatches and thought that that was great. All of the aesthetics none of the worry. Perfect.

Morgens V Caterham. An 80% driver can get a 100% out of a Caterham a 100% driver will still get his arse bitten by a Morgen. Still. Real men drive TVR's and they're made of GRP too.

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Re: What a strange post

You can't use 'Happy1' as an example. He's hardly a typical poster :)

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Re: Having owned both

Real men drive "D" Darts, now that is a MANS CAR> ps, If you don't know what the D stands for say no more.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by rich on 29/12/2003 23:48 (server time).</FONT></P>
 
Impractical Car Owners\' thread?

Yes, the Dart is a very pretty car. But really, Caterhams, TVRs, Morgans - 80% maintenance to 20% forward motion?

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Re: Having owned both

What is so great about Dodge Darts /forums/images/icons/smile.gif? Didn't think they would even have been sold there.

John

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Re: Oh Dear,,,,,,,

On the subject of the post, I can't think too many people would be on this forum who were pure fantasists - there are surely better things to be doing with your time. I've read advice I've agreed with and disagreed with - that's all part of a discussion board. If you think sailing in a full dry suit is a bit OTT, then ignore the advice and take the consensus view. Also the idea that being a boat owner suddenly endows you with a vast font of knowledge... I can think of several friends who've never owned a boat but have vastly more experience to impart than many who are, or have been owners, including myself.

On your pet subject of wooden vs. plastic boats, I think your glasses are somewhat rose-tinted Ian. I regularly buy Classic Boat and the aesthetics of the boats featured therein are wonderful. How come that doesn't wholly accord with the rag bag of old wooden heaps I see down at the marina? Because, shock-horror, some wooden boats are ugly embarrassments and would be better off as firewood. Some wooden boats do look better than their modern counterparts, but agreeing with a previous comment, I'd choose an early-70's Nicholson or S&S design, old Swan, etc alongside a wood boat for looks, and every time for practicality, and if I'm an owner I want to be sailing not maintaining, then its no contest. I can't comment on how they sail as my experience of wooden boats is limited, but the Buchanan design I sailed for a week once as a charter did not particularly impress me.

Your car analogy is bogus IMHO - I've driven (not owned) both, the Caterham on a track, and not only does the Caterham perform better, it is also much more fun, which after all is the only point of such a car (as neither are particularly suited to 'real-world' motoring). I'll take an old 911 please....
 
Re: Impractical Car Owners\' thread?

"80% maintenance to 20% forward motion?"
,,,,,,, and so we find ourselves back talking about boats,,,,,,,,?
Anyway the Caterham was more fun while it was still a Lotus and cost £615. "all the controls fell neatly to hand, except the horn which fell into the road,,,,"
IanW ;)



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Re: Oh Dear,,,,,,,

" I think your glasses are somewhat rose-tinted Ian."

Yes, indeed they are, but they are hand made gold framed glasses, and the rose tint was chosen by a talented colourist. I have them made up by the little man who also makes my sextants.;)

IanW

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Re: Having owned both

Edward Turner is spinning in his grave.....
Heathen!
Daimler, man, Daimler! The cutest liddle Hemi-head V8 you could wish for; shame about the ropey steering and floppy chassis.
Although I fancy the chairman's Q-ship Majestic Major meself....

cheers,
david

<hr width=100% size=1>Gosh darn it, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue purttier than a twenty dollar whore!
 
Re: What a strange post

Tom
Don't get confused with what some people say is "best practice", because they themselves may not necessarily do it.
I know you only cited 1 quote about wearing dry suits etc, but as a RNLI Seacheck person I would "always" recommend wearing such kit, but as a fisherman and sailor I very rarely follow my own advice. I would however take a veiw on how dangerous I thought the situation was and act accordingly.

I think most posters in here are genuine and have vast experience of boating and those that haven't are either ignored or gently torn to shreads.

So do what I (and most others do) and that is, take each piece of advice and determin for yourself if it's worth considering?

My own expirence is both wide and varied, but none the less is still very limited when matched against other forumites, and matched against the overall topic of boating.

Thats the beauty of this forum!

You can ask any question you wish and get answers, they may not be to your liking, but you do at least get answers to your enquiry.

Some members are speaking from years of experience in a particular field i.e petroleum products, metalurgy, marine engines, sails, electronics, service aboard commercial vessels, VHF, and many,many more, you also have the "ordinary guy" that has experience in the type of boat, engine, or basic problem you're having difficulty with and is willing to offer advice to you because he's been down the same path.

So, do what I and most other members do, and that is, look at what is being said and make your own mind up as to its value?

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Could it be...

Because the plastic 'glass' is the imitation of the original and so will always, no matter how skillfully made, in some way be less than the original. Likewise, for most of us, boats were originally made from wood and then imitated in plastic. Indeed, some of the most successful early GRP designs were moulded from the hulls of successful wooden boats. Even the Vertue! As they (whoever 'they' may be) say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Re: P.S. Everyone assumes my boat is wooden when they

WOOD? PLASTIC? Alright for BOATS I suppose. But give me a proper SHIP made out of STEEL every time /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

<hr width=100% size=1><font color=blue>A convert to steel boats and displacement cruising - the only way to go</font color=blue>
 
Re: P.S. Everyone assumes my boat is wooden when they

Even better, A classic design, built in steel but so fair that everyone thinks she is wood, (one 'expert' even told me it was a shame she was iron fastened, his observation based on an orange rust streak beneath the varnished toe rail) Bliss! Cheers, Mike.

<hr width=100% size=1>"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me."
 
Re: ah yes.. just like Titanic...

...but still only in deep way an imitation of the 'original'. Remember seeing large, immaculate looking steel yacht under cover in Plymouth a few years ago. yard manager was able to put his finger through the hull in the heads. Had rusted from the inside with all the condensation. Give me a ferro cement copy of a Nich 55 any day.

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I am a hugely experienced fantasist, and even as i write i am simultaneously and masterfully controlling a fabulous craft despite the very arduous conditions.

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