Graham376
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We residents aren't under discussion, other folks are looking at how they can do it.
We've had our passports and boat docs. checked various times on routine paperwork checks when out and about.
Potential solution for a leisurely cruse to the med?
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We residents aren't under discussion, other folks are looking at how they can do it.
We've had our passports and boat docs. checked various times on routine paperwork checks when out and about.
nortada
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We residents aren't under discussion, other folks are looking at how they can do it.
True but we are only residents in some EU countries so stamping passports could concern us in other EU countries.
Never been checked except when entering and leaving marinas or in a berth and the staff are most interested in insurance.
Tomahawk
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You may be right ... but it''s the bit about getting the process underway... or not bothering as the case may be.
ross84
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Thank god we got our freedomz back!!!! ..................
syvictoria
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The person overstaying a tourist visa gets deported to their home country, likely with a fine and a stamp in their passport ensuring that they won't be allowed access back into the EU again for a time. The refugee may not have a passport (as you point out), will not want (or quite possibly be able) to return to whatever/wherever it is they are fleeing. and is probably in the process of trying to claim asylum and begin a new life. Hardly the same situation, nor more crucially, offering the same options when it comes to 'official process'.
Tomahawk
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OK...
Given that most of Africa can at best be described as failed states where there is rampant corruption, misogyny, religious andtribal descrimination, almost open insurrection which many people would want to leave behind... Also the population of Africa is over 1300 million as of begining of December last year and it is rising. The median age is less than 20 which means the populaton is growing at a totally unsustainable rate.
How many "refugges" shoud we accept?
Ome million
Two million
Ten million?
It we accepted 10 million over a year, it would not dent population growth in Africa and there would be another 10 million more in a very short while. Why not? with a bit of simple repopulation, we caluld accept 30 million in just over a decade which would then make up 1 in 3 of the population of this already overcrowded island. What’s not to like and promote?
Given that most of Africa can at best be described as failed states where there is rampant corruption, misogyny, religious andtribal descrimination, almost open insurrection which many people would want to leave behind... Also the population of Africa is over 1300 million as of begining of December last year and it is rising. The median age is less than 20 which means the populaton is growing at a totally unsustainable rate.
How many "refugges" shoud we accept?
Ome million
Two million
Ten million?
It we accepted 10 million over a year, it would not dent population growth in Africa and there would be another 10 million more in a very short while. Why not? with a bit of simple repopulation, we caluld accept 30 million in just over a decade which would then make up 1 in 3 of the population of this already overcrowded island. What’s not to like and promote?
jordanbasset
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Perhaps this crap could be kept to the lounge or current affairs
Tomahawk
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So anything that causes you to have to question and think is crap?
I posed a simple question about the efficacy of the 90 day rules given the situation in Europe where there are large numbers of undocumented and illegal migrants. Nothing more, or less yet you want to silence debate.
jordanbasset
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Is comprehension a problem for you? How do I want to silence debate, I said the lounge or current affairs is the place to discuss this (if you want) not a thread looking at practical answers to cruise the med. Similarly I do not see your answer here helped move the thread forward
Kelpie
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Your posts do not make anybody think, nor do they raise any questions*
Demographics and migration are totally irrelevant to this discussion. If you want to educate yourself on why your fears are unfounded, however, rest assured that many developed nations are predicted to see their populations halve by the end of the century. Without some migration of younger people our population pyramids will become increasingly inverted, which has economic and social implications. And secondly, when you improve education and healthcare, population growth invariably slows.
But to get back on topic- are you actually advocating that cruisers abandon their boats and move into a refugee camp upon expiry of their 90 day allowance?? If not, how is your point relevant?
*OK that was a bit harsh- I had to think to decipher your many spelling mistakes.
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I haven’t read this entire thread, so I hope that I’m not duplicating, but there is a UK government petition running (not particularly well worded but there we are) to request that the Government negotiates reciprocal travel rights for UK citizens in Europe - essentially to improve upon 90/180 post Brexit. If interested to support see here: Petition: Negotiate more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens
steve yates
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Your question was irrelevant though, the overstaying of a tourist visa and the policing of refugees are two very different things. How french police deal and immigration deals with refugees at calais etc really has no bearing on how we as privileged tourists get to stay longer in france, legally or illegally.
I very much doubt the authorities in any schengen country will be turning a blind eye to brits ignoring the 90/180 rules.
Tomahawk
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Of course the plod won’t treat tourists and other unauthorised people the same... Tourists are an easy target. They are likely to have property and can be traced. Illegal migrants are hard work to deal with.
LadyInBed
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As I see it, France isn't the issue at the start of the trip. If you head straight across Biscay you only spend a couple or three weeks in France. You are much more likely to spend time in Spain or Portugal, so that's the place to sort out extended stay.
If I get down to Galicia again, more likely next year than this, it will be interesting to see how the rules have been applied. 90 days might be a bit tight for a round trip.
If I get down to Galicia again, more likely next year than this, it will be interesting to see how the rules have been applied. 90 days might be a bit tight for a round trip.
st599
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The reason people are looking at France is that they have a long stay tourist visa, Spain and Portugal don't. In Spain, unless you own a property or can invest in the public debt, then you would need to gain residency, similar in Portugal.
steve yates
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You miss the point, I love France, I want to spend a long time in Brittany exploring it. I also want to reach the med, I'm trying to do both without going home every 3 months out of 6.
doug748
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I must admit that I have not read all (much of) the thread.
In days of yore, you applied for a visa to stay in most continental countries and it came back in the post. It was a formality because:
1) The European country needed to keep a track on matters but knew anyone wanting to overstay could simply get off the ferry in Calais and do that.
2) Long stay tourists are tremendously beneficial to the host economy.
It will take time but doubtless we shall know in due course.
st599
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Days of yore have gone. Unless the UK government agree to the offer the EU made we'll be stuck with Schengen visas for stays of up to 90 days in 180, work permits and Cat D National Visas for longer stays.
France has a Cat D tourist visa, Spain and Portugal don't. And unlike days of yore, Schengen is centralised on a database and overstays are automatically flagged.
Ningaloo
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Guess what? Things have moved on.
The "formality" way of being a UK tourist in EU is to get a 90 day entry permit on arrival, so pretty much as you describe. From late 2022 ETIAS will be in place so you'll get your visa online and anyone overstaying the 90 day limit will be much more "visible".
If UK was not entitled to the above a Schengen visa requires a visit to an EU embassy for an interview and to check documents (insurance, bank statements, police record etc.)
However this thread is NOT about a regular tourist entry. It is about the feasibility of using a French long stay visa to extend a cruise to the med beyond 90 days. France is being discussed because, so far, it is the only EU country offering any hope of extended stays other than for work, study or family reasons.
It will require a visit to an EU embassy for an interview and to check documents (insurance, bank statements, police record etc.) and it will cost, but many will consider it worthwhile.
I believe that other countries will offer similar opportunities in the near future, but if you are planning to leave UK as soon as CV19 permits, this is currently your only option.