Poss next project, but what is it ?????????????????

[waynes world]

I probably wouldn't touch this captain
you'll probably need 4 good arms for a couple of years full time to get her going

V.

That boat has come down from what i am sure started at around £10k now down to no £2k. I would be interested but i dont have the money or time for that one.

If your going to do another bigger boat, do something worthwhile

https://www.apolloduck.com/boat/fairey-huntsman-31/611006

I am a little shocked that is till or sale,i spotted it ages ago and fell in love with it but over my budget, Preston Marina is not far from me at all and have in the last twelve months had some cracking project boats in. Just back then i had to get on with Khashoggi.

Not long ago sold a nice Bruce Roberts MS for pocket money.

not a shed though, looks in reasonably good nick, not something for captain Faffer

V.

LOL V, another thing its wood, i do love wooden boats but so many folk have put me off them now. Not like me that, i find so many boat, ye si not as good a condition as the one we speak of but what could be made real nice.

Forgive me, I skipped from the first page to this last page. (atm) thinking that that thing is a shed but ... when I saw what you did with your last project my hat is off to you buddy..

You do what I do, well done bro, I started fixing boats when I was mitching school going to the harbour.
Bought my first boat at 10yrs old, I had to lift glasses in a hotel bar at wages £1 an hour to work off this 10ft sailing boat owned by the owner of a hotel in Portballintrae for this wee dory sailing punt..
I did the work hrs, he wanted eighty quid for the wee boat and to be honest my father was quite hard on me, - he wouldnt help me with anything.. I got it really tight but after 70 hrs my mother said that she'd pay the last tenner.

I ended up on the trawlers in Portavogie. There was no better place to be.

I've always been close to the sea and close to MB fibreglass in Belfast and Whale pumps in Bangor.

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If it had been anyone else I'd say leave it. I'll not say that to you after seeing your last project.

Very well done bro.

People on here can be very grumpy, I don't know why, it must be a sail thing and they're cross for having no diesel lol - but there is a wealth of knowledge this forum.

Sometimes we love each other, (I can't remember when) but the thing is, at sea - we have each others backs and at the end of the day we are better than airplane drivers... My Sis married a ryanair pilot.. I said from one skipper to another...

well thats another story.


Skip.

That story reminds me of when i was 13 maybe 14 and got a paper round to buy a radio control car as they were that expensive i couldnt have one for xmas, it must of of been over 30 years ago and i remember it was £160, i went to the model shop every weekend to pay it off and had a little book with what had been paid. ( no bugger does that nowadays do they ) I got to my last tenner and my Nan paid it for me bless her.

Great boat! In the same vein but cheaper:

https://www.apolloduck.eu/boat/triana-tropica-25/611530/1

Nah not for me, found a few similar but not big enough. very minimum 30 footer wanted.

Well still on for pics tomoz to put us all at ease and what it really is like.


Captain Faffer

 

[petem]

I am a little shocked that is till or sale,i spotted it ages ago and fell in love with it but over my budget, Preston Marina is not far from me at all and have in the last twelve months had some cracking project boats in. Just back then i had to get on with Khashoggi.

You should ask the owner if he'd let you pay in instalments (a little book)! Stranger things have happened.

 

[longjohnsilver]

You must get up to Preston to look at that Fairey, take lots of pics and report back. That really is something rather special.

On second look, it says sale agreed. But still worth a phone call.

 

[burgundyben]

You must get up to Preston to look at that Fairey, take lots of pics and report back. That really is something rather special.

The point I was making by posting that, is no matter how good a job WW made of the Fisher, its still a Fisher, he'd be polishing a turd.

Better to start with something more worthwhile. I can say tho, from repeated first hand experience, that Fairey will be a long hard expensive slog and by the time its done it'll need starting again. I shouldn't recommend it to anyone and I am an idiot.

 

[stelican]

The survey on the Fairey is rather damming shame they didn't make them out of grp

 

[waynes world]

The point I was making by posting that, is no matter how good a job WW made of the Fisher, its still a Fisher, he'd be polishing a turd.

Better to start with something more worthwhile. I can say tho, from repeated first hand experience, that Fairey will be a long hard expensive slog and by the time its done it'll need starting again. I shouldn't recommend it to anyone and I am an idiot.

You dont like me do you as you recommended it to me lol. Just kidin. Hope you do like me.


The fisher though IMO can be a good boat. Most project s tou out in more than you get out anyway. Its about the boat to me and not money. They sell for around 25-30k for a good one and i would be prepared spend thay on it over thime.

 

[burgundyben]

The survey on the Fairey is rather damming shame they didn't make them out of grp

They did.

Spearfish is a grp Huntsman 31 aft cockpit, with a slight reduction in freeboard, the Fantome is a 31 hull with integral exhausts.

 

[burgundyben]

You dont like me do you as you recommended it to me lol. Just kidin. Hope you do like me.


The fisher though IMO can be a good boat. Most project s tou out in more than you get out anyway. Its about the boat to me and not money. They sell for around 25-30k for a good one and i would be prepared spend thay on it over thime.

I'm sure you are lovely!

Just think you need to put your effort into something worthwhile, not a pig.

What about that sunken Halmatic on ebay?

I thought I saw some Nelson 34 pics on one of these threads, but can't see them now. I would say steer clear of the Nelson 34, its so narrow the accomodation is hopeless. Have a look for a cheapo Mitchell 31?

 

[Dill et Bound]

I think because everybody views the ideal boat in a different way it is difficult to access what would be a worthwhile project.
I have restored a few craft back to original spec for owners who wish to relive boyhood dreams with all the quirks and pitfalls that go with them.
A few projects have been to re purpose old designs into modern usable cruising accommodation.

At the end of the day it is down to preference.
Most people’s preference is to look at a number of boats for sale.
Compromise on a few factors.
Buy it and use it until it no longer for fills it’s use. You out grow it. Change the way you use it or it becomes a money pit.
Sell it
Compromise again and buy another.

There are however a merry band of owners who will gladly work on boats that other people may consider a complete waste of time money and effort.
But get a huge buzz out of creating a craft that they are very proud of because of the time effort that they have put in.

And good on them.
In the days of firms like Marine Construction . Halmatic ..Aqua Star.. Colvic.. Aquafiber...Robert Ives ..loads of people did the same.




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[waynes world]

I'm sure you are lovely!

Just think you need to put your effort into something worthwhile, not a pig.

What about that sunken Halmatic on ebay?

I thought I saw some Nelson 34 pics on one of these threads, but can't see them now. I would say steer clear of the Nelson 34, its so narrow the accomodation is hopeless. Have a look for a cheapo Mitchell 31?

I looked at that the other day but it didnt rock my boat so to speak, its just the look/shape of it. Maybe up close yes, and a bonus is that the engines etc are all there and good but for the P bracket.

Oh yes the Nelson is a defo no goer

I am tempted the more i look at the Halmatic to have a look at it.

 

[petem]

Boats.co.uk always have a few project boats on their books - see https://www.boats.co.uk/project-boats/.

 

[waynes world]

MMMmmmmmmm

A lot different but i like it


?????


https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Marine-Projects/project-boat-water-damaged-draco-2500/264733

Just passing time as fed up now lol.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Almost bought one of those about 20 years ago, quite a tardis inside, the seatbacks lifted on an electric ram to make a huge sleeping area.

But do you really want ancient outdrives?:ambivalence:

 

[waynes world]

Almost bought one of those about 20 years ago, quite a tardis inside, the seatbacks lifted on an electric ram to make a huge sleeping area.

But do you really want ancient outdrives?:ambivalence:

Thats one off putter, the legs need to go, but for what, they cost a fortune i believe to et fixed even DIY. ?

 

[MapisM]

Interesting thread indeed.
WW, I suppose it would be tricky (i.e. expensive) for you to bring this boat back home from Sardinia, but if she's still where she was when I came across her, I would think that you could get her for a song.
And even if I you probably never heard of it, back in the late 70s she was one of the most advanced boats of her size (36').
Saying that she's VERY unique is an understatement....

 

[vas]

P,

almost bought one (but the FB version) a year before buying MiToS.
Was in better state than the pic above but I chickened out and ended up buying something in even worse condition
grp hull ply decks and superstructure, iirc Levy inspired (or designed) hull, extremely fast and v.good looking. Lacked in the space dept and didn't like the galley pit down on stbrd side.
Some odd design decisions on the lower helm area!

cheers

V.

 

[Bouba]

Is it resting on drain pipes or are they some form of prop tunnel?

 

[Bigplumbs]

To some who have posted on here and accepting that they might not have read WW's other large thread I would say this.

Some like to Paint a Picture and others like to Buy one

 

[Portofino]

Is it resting on drain pipes or are they some form of prop tunnel?

He , Sony Levi invented surface piercing props .
His where for small craft at everyday and slower speeds , than today’s incarnations of surfacing piercing boats
Just efficiently gains in terms of thrust direction and minimising or getting rid of parasitic drag sans rudder and shafts .



The 1/2 pipe turns to steer it and some ( not all ) of the exhaust gas is used to ventilate the props .
Being such a huge pitch by normal shaft drive std some Diesel engines will bog down at low rpm trying to accelerate, so by gassing them its temporarily reducing the density of the medium ( water ) so they can spin up , get into the torque band .

Then a guy called Arnesons took it to arguably the next level he mounted the props on movable shafts in the vertical plane so they can be trimmed up at accelerating then gradual trimmed down as the engines torque comes up . Those submerged hydraulic rams bit like D6 steering rams are a maintenance headache and end up leaking .Theres an inevitability of submerged open rams in the Med in terms of seal integrity.

Trimax does away with the submerged rams but retains a small parasitic rudder behind the props .
Some Sunseeker super hawks and there XS have Trimax .
Some Predators when the name meant performance have Arnesons.
Btw I like the hull shape of the Sardinian based project , the bit I would be looking at first before any boat purchase

Amarti did a few Itama with Arnesons and the FG do the 75 with Arnies .

Amarti with dividing the accommodation the boat in two by central engine positioning went down the Uber low shaft angle even positioning the props as far back as he could get the P bracket .
Hanging the rudder off the bathing platform .And crucially placing the steering gear on a movable rudder bar which allows vertical movement. So in effect being able if you want to raise the rudder out of the drag but obviously reducing the effectiveness ie can’t steer much at speed .
You have to either slow down thus dropping the hull deeper or drop the daggers in thus creating drag and slowing anyway .

Any how point is many ways of getting rid of the parasitic drag of the rudder .
It’s nit just speed it greater fuel efficiency at a lower speed the elimination of drag thing , worth chasing imho .

 

[sorabain]

There seems to be no end to your enthusiasm and confidence. I can't help thinking that after your next two successes your next project will look like