Portugal loves us!

nortada said:
Don't know for sure but I think we are getting a fairly clear indication of what no deal would mean to liveaboards in Southern Europe and this has no link to the impact of no deal on the Northern Ireland economy?

As we have establish a criteria to remain in Southern Europe post Brexit on broadly the same terms as pre Brexit, little will change.
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Not quite sure what you are saying there?
Certainly at the moment we haven't established what will the liveaboard status be, unless you are only talking about those that have residency status, even then they will be limited to 90 days in every 180 across the rest of the Schengen area
 
jordanbasset said:
Not quite sure what you are saying there?
Certainly at the moment we haven't established what will the liveaboard status be, unless you are only talking about those that have residency status, even then they will be limited to 90 days in every 180 across the rest of the Schengen area
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So you are saying that whilst Brits with residence status will have unlimited residency in their primary host country, under Schengen, they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days across the rest of the Schengen?

On balance, in practical terms, this should meet most cruising plan so not terribly onerous.

Do you have a link to support your assertions or is it just speculation?
 
nortada said:
Do you have a link to support your assertions or is it just speculation?
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I have posted the link before on the big thread, I believe in a response to a very similar question from yourself

Found it
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...Up-To-Friday-29th-March-2019-amp-Beyond/page3
jordanbasset said:
I thought the issue of a non E.U. national who has residency on one E.U. Country having to comply with the same restrictions re Schengen and being allowed only 3 months in any 6 months in the rest of the E.U. had already been mentioned on here (but my memory could be playing tricks)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32010R0265
'As a result, a long-stay visa should have the same effects as a residence permit as regards the freedom of movement of the holder in the Schengen Area.
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A third-country national holding a long-stay visa issued by a Member State should therefore be allowed to travel to other Member States for three months in any six-month period, under the same conditions as the holder of a residence permit. This Regulation does not affect the rules regarding the conditions for issuing long-stay visas.'

So it is clear that residency of one E.U. Country does not give you freedom of movement for the rest of the E.U. and you are still limited to 3 months in every 6 months.
There is a question about how it could be enforced and I suspect you could be in another E.U. country illegally and may never be found out (unless you had a run in with the law, fly in or out of that other country to outside the E.U. etc). Personally that is not the way I like to live my life.
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jordanbasset said:
I have posted the link before on the big thread, I believe in a response to a very similar question from yourself

Found it
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...Up-To-Friday-29th-March-2019-amp-Beyond/page3
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Thank you.

The thread you quote starts with the words, “I suspect” - speculation.;)

Speculation in one post used as authority in another.:rolleyes:

As I observed in #23, in practical terms, 80 days in another Schengen country should meet the needs of most cruisers; as demonstrated by other third party nations (US, Canadian etc).:encouragement:
 
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nortada said:
Thank you.

Speculation in one post used as authority in another.

As I observed in #23, in practical terms, 80 days in another Schengen country should meet the needs of most cruisers; as demonstrated by other third party nations (US, Canadian etc).
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Not sure what you mean by speculation, it's European Law
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32010R0265
'A third-country national holding a long-stay visa issued by a Member State should therefore be allowed to travel to other Member States for three months in any six-month period, under the same conditions as the holder of a residence permit. This Regulation does not affect the rules regarding the conditions for issuing long-stay visas.'
 
nortada said:
As I observed in #23, in practical terms, 80 days in another Schengen country should meet the needs of most cruisers; as demonstrated by other third party nations (US, Canadian etc).:encouragement:
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But you still have the problem when driving down to Portugal that your passport may well be stamped on entry into France (Schengen) and then when exiting several months later you will appear to have overstayed 90 day limit, unless you can get passport stamped in Portugal to verify authorised stay there.
 
jordanbasset said:
Not sure what you mean by speculation, it's European Law
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32010R0265
'A third-country national holding a long-stay visa issued by a Member State should therefore be allowed to travel to other Member States for three months in any six-month period, under the same conditions as the holder of a residence permit. This Regulation does not affect the rules regarding the conditions for issuing long-stay visas.'
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Thank you for that link. I live in Spain but plan to buy a house in France after Brexit so I will be able to spend at least 6 months of the year there and return to sunny Spain where I am resident for the winter... I had been wondering what the solution was..........
 
Paw Paw said:
Thank you for that link. I live in Spain but plan to buy a house in France after Brexit so I will be able to spend at least 6 months of the year there and return to sunny Spain where I am resident for the winter... I had been wondering what the solution was..........
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Yes you will be allowed 90 days in the winter in Spain, much nicer anyway:D
 
Graham376 said:
But you still have the problem when driving down to Portugal that your passport may well be stamped on entry into France (Schengen) and then when exiting several months later you will appear to have overstayed 90 day limit, unless you can get passport stamped in Portugal to verify authorised stay there.
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Could be true but as personally, I only travel between the UK and Portugal by air not a problem for me.

Suspect the vast majority involved are in similar circumstances?
 
My view is that Westmonster clearly has a political agenda.
I will read it, but will balance it's reporting with what I see as reality and therefore give very little credence to it's stories.
 
greeny said:
My view is that Westmonster clearly has a political agenda.
I will read it, but will balance it's reporting with what I see as reality and therefore give very little credence to it's stories.
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Agree.

Nearly everybody has a political agenda, which is fair enough but it doesn't really fit in Liveaboard Link and should be left in Anything Brexit.
 
jordanbasset said:
Agree, that is why it is always useful to see what the law says rather than what we hope will happen
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It is, of course, good to know what the law says but what is important is the way that the law is ( or frequently is not ) enforced and as we all know many blind eyes are turned in Portugal.
 
Portugal loves us???? Just been down to car registration dept and then to Customs with a mate to get a price for importing his Spanish reg. car, 1998 Merc C180 petrol. Import duty €8,000 I kid you not!

However, as he has recently taken up residence, he may be able to reduce that bill to zero IF he can provide the necessary documentation and prove that he lived in Spain before coming here. As he didn't actually live there, just had tax ref. looks like the dtp will be working overtime.:) Has just under 12 months now to get paperwork sorted.
 
Graham376 said:
Portugal loves us???? Just been down to car registration dept and then to Customs with a mate to get a price for importing his Spanish reg. car, 1998 Merc C180 petrol. Import duty €8,000 I kid you not!

However, as he has recently taken up residence, he may be able to reduce that bill to zero IF he can provide the necessary documentation and prove that he lived in Spain before coming here. As he didn't actually live there, just had tax ref. looks like the dtp will be working overtime.:) Has just under 12 months now to get paperwork sorted.
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Please mention to your friend that the importation of his british car as new resident may not be as attractive as it first seems.
My friend imported a Mercedes under the same circumstances (new residence). Import taxes zero, just some minor paperwork charges I believe. However when it came to paying his "road tax" he found he was paying circa 5 times as much as an equivalent portuguese car was paying of the same age and engine size. This was because his car was considered a "new" registration in Portugal and therefore had to meet that year's much more stringent emission criteria than the same portuguese car that had been here from original registration. The Portuguese car was taxed against the criteria back when the car was first registered. My friends recently registered car was taxed against todays much more stringent criteria and therefore had to pay much more tax per year and for the rest of it's life. It's worth checking this out before importing it.
 
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