Pontoon Bashing

That can’t be true. If you are moving at any speed astern and put it into neutral the boat will continue to move and the steering will be evenly balanced, allowing you to regain control.
I said that to a friend that had a Malo long keel (35?) .....have you tried?...upshot was we went out in open water no tide /wind and I demonstrated how to steer in astern.......but I didn't and I couldn't ...no matter in gear out of gear and any speed...
Going backwards was what the boat did and you had absolutely no way to change its course...
 
Whenever I used to hear full rpm or rapid forward /reverse changes of gearbox, it was always wise to just happen to pop up on deck and have a large fender to hand..
As the ski instructors used to quip
Any fool can go fast 😂
But the skill is in doing things as slowly as you can whilst remaining in full control
Having spent so many sailing years in long keeled boats and or with a quarter hung propellor, the wind, the tide, the current, a rope are your bestest friends. A gearbox and throttle less so.
Unless used judiciously in short ‘ straighten up’ bursts and even then….

The tale as told sounds completely daft, borderline shotgun mentality to parking-Bam! Ah, it is The Glorious twelfth🤔
 
I said that to a friend that had a Malo long keel (35?) .....have you tried?...upshot was we went out in open water no tide /wind and I demonstrated how to steer in astern.......but I didn't and I couldn't ...no matter in gear out of gear and any speed...
Going backwards was what the boat did and you had absolutely no way to change its course...
Try dragging a stout handled bucket about 5 to 10 feet off the bow. This tends to help directional stability. I didn't believe it either until it was demonstrated to me and I had a few goes myself. I saw it work. (y)
 
Whenever I used to hear full rpm or rapid forward /reverse changes of gearbox, it was always wise to just happen to pop up on deck and have a large fender to hand..
As the ski instructors used to quip
Any fool can go fast 😂
But the skill is in doing things as slowly as you can whilst remaining in full control
Having spent so many sailing years in long keeled boats and or with a quarter hung propellor, the wind, the tide, the current, a rope are your bestest friends. A gearbox and throttle less so.
Unless used judiciously in short ‘ straighten up’ bursts and even then….

The tale as told sounds completely daft, borderline shotgun mentality to parking-Bam! Ah, it is The Glorious twelfth🤔
Agreed. The motto “slow is pro” generally applies.

I have seen 36ft boats ride clean up onto the pontoon when the gear linkage failed, so always nervous when people approach fast and assume they can slam into the opposite gear and it will Always engage.
 
Agreed. The motto “slow is pro” generally applies.

I have seen 36ft boats ride clean up onto the pontoon when the gear linkage failed, so always nervous when people approach fast and assume they can slam into the opposite gear and it will Always engage.
We have to move a bit quicker to have good control. The only time I get worried about manoeuvring and parking is when I’m stuck behind someone who pauses for 30 seconds between every sloth like move. And usually they’ve deliberately overtaken us at some point in the harbour entrance.
 
Try dragging a stout handled bucket about 5 to 10 feet off the bow. This tends to help directional stability. I didn't believe it either until it was demonstrated to me and I had a few goes myself. I saw it work. (y)
Yes that may help, but the problem he really had was trying to go stern to on the dock in a confined harbour
 
Seems a bit vindictive to destroy a man's career for making a mistake that, given the nature of most seafarers, he will probably learn from.
I know of at least one instructor who damaged a school boat and was never employed by the school again. It is my understanding the instructors are only employed for selected courses in the school I know well. They are not fully employed, many do courses that fit in with their life style, so it is not a career that can be destroyed. If you read my post #2 again you will see I am not vindictive. If a school receives a number of adverse comments about an instructor, including from students, then the school may make a decision to drop an instructor. This instructor was not teaching how to berth safely and gently according to the OP, then every student went "pontoon bashing". Surely he should be able to show the students how it should be done.
 
I know of at least one instructor who damaged a school boat and was never employed by the school again. It is my understanding the instructors are only employed for selected courses in the school I know well. They are not fully employed, many do courses that fit in with their life style, so it is not a career that can be destroyed. If you read my post #2 again you will see I am not vindictive. If a school receives a number of adverse comments about an instructor, including from students, then the school may make a decision to drop an instructor. This instructor was not teaching how to berth safely and gently according to the OP, then every student went "pontoon bashing". Surely he should be able to show the students how it should be done.
If I am dissatisfied with some service I have paid for, then I deal with it. I don't expect, or need, somebody interceding on my behalf.

If the customers of the sailing school are dissatisfied with the standard of tuition they have received it is up to them to complain.

I cannot understand what it is that makes people want to interfere in this way with even the most trivial of other people's affairs.

It is, I suppose, yet another unpleasant side-product of the Internet. Somebody's business becomes everybody's business.
 
Agreed. The motto “slow is pro” generally applies.

I have seen 36ft boats ride clean up onto the pontoon when the gear linkage failed, so always nervous when people approach fast and assume they can slam into the opposite gear and it will Always engage.
Appropriate speed taking into account wind and tide is a better way of putting it.

Crosswinds particularly train you not to dither.
 
One of my instructors always said "crash slowly".
I've had the privilege of coaching the nervous, the cocky and the vast majority of 'willing to learn' in berthing situations many thousands of times. Yup, that many. That's why I had 14 fenders on my school boat. And by the end of each course, 4 people who could tie a clove hitch in the dark, in the rain and probably stood on one leg if I asked. :)

Despite all that, there was always the occasional student who made me wonder just how we got into a situation that I had to resolve.

I loved every minute!
 
One of my instructors always said "crash slowly".
They certainly do not park oil tankers, container ships or cruise liners at speed, so why do some people think pulling into a berth quickly and applying reverse is what the way it should be done. I normally berth bow in, but sometimes I berth stern in, my aim is to do it singlehanded and to brake my boat using a spring. I might be close to 6 tons in weight but it is very possible in all weathers.
 
Yes but big ships have tugs when getting close to the shore ……..on one small coaster pushed by a gale our berth .was direct down wind and the cut had to be entered at speed (7knot) …….unfortunately I was unable to get a line on the bollards as the ship passed and we ended up putting a very nice “v” in the back of a barge…..naturally the owner was cross but mention of insuranc eased the situation.
 
They certainly do not park oil tankers, container ships or cruise liners at speed, so why do some people think pulling into a berth quickly and applying reverse is what the way it should be done. I normally berth bow in, but sometimes I berth stern in, my aim is to do it singlehanded and to brake my boat using a spring. I might be close to 6 tons in weight but it is very possible in all weathers.
I use a bow fender when entering a marina berth, as follows:

1. Nudge gently forward until the fendered bow is pressing against the main walkway.​
2. Leave the engine running slowly in ahead gear.​
3. Hold the tiller over towards the catway with a shockcord loop (kept permanently rigged either side for that purpose).​
4. Leisurely step onto the catway, pausing only to nonchanlantly light one's pipe and wave an acknowledgment to the cheering onlookers.​
5. Make fast the shore lines.​
6. Engage neutral and stop the engine.​
7. Adjust shore lines and fenders a/r.​
8. Plug in the power cable.​
The only difficulty can be persuading well-intentioned people that there really is no need for them to tire themselves out trying to push the bow off the walkway. They don't do any harm but having them repeatedly shouting "À l'arrière, monsieur! À l'arrière!" gets a bit wearing.
 
If I am dissatisfied with some service I have paid for, then I deal with it. I don't expect, or need, somebody interceding on my behalf.

If the customers of the sailing school are dissatisfied with the standard of tuition they have received it is up to them to complain.

I cannot understand what it is that makes people want to interfere in this way with even the most trivial of other people's affairs.

It is, I suppose, yet another unpleasant side-product of the Internet. Somebody's business becomes everybody's business.
100%! And I unfortunately had to do exactly this after a week of hour building before my Yachtmaster exam. The school owner did not appear surprised or question my complaint. The instructor did next to nothing for a week leaving the other "fast track" students to ask me for advice on everything from sail trim to navigation as I had joined the crew just to get qualifying hours on a large enough boat and some refresher training before my exam. I didn't pay x hundred quid to instruct on behalf of the school and was not competent in the RYA methodology to do so. In contrast the next week we had a cracking instructor who made sure to correct all my bad habits and the test when well.
 
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