Politeness and courtesy are signs of competance

I agree but there are so many different ways people see courtesy.

A typical courteous boat where I sail would:
Not play loud music in a quiet anchorage much after midnight
Have a quiet generator keeping aircon and all above and underwater lights on all night, disturbing only those downwind (motor boats even more so)
Put fenders out when anchoring close to avoid annoying those already there
On windy nights have no more than 4 boats rafted together on a single anchor
 
IMHO poilteness and courtesy can allow one to get away without the exercise of incompetence developing into a shouting match. So I think politeness is a subset of both groups of competent and incompetent.

However politeness adds to the quality of interaction in both cases, unless one knows really well the interactee in which case one can be as rude as one effing likes and it just adds to the fun!
 
jimi said:
IMHO poilteness and courtesy can allow one to get away without the exercise of incompetence developing into a shouting match. So I think politeness is a subset of both groups of competent and incompetent.

However politeness adds to the quality of interaction in both cases, unless one knows really well the interactee in which case one can be as rude as one effing likes and it just adds to the fun!
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Eff off!
 
I regret that quite a few of the polite and courteous people I have met have however been incompetent in certain areas so really I do not see good manners as any indication of competence, equally I have known very competent people who were not well mannered at all so in my opinion manners are not any indicator of competence in any field.
 
If you can't be rude to the people you like, who can you be rude to? On the odd occasion when I have politely asked the crew to perform a task, say hoist the spinnaker, and have accompanied the request with "please", "when you are ready", "at your convenience" and other emollient words and have resisted the temptation to point out that the guy is rigged through the guard-wires, the pole is upside down, the bag is not hooked onto the boat, the halyard is wound round the forestay, the sheet is looped round a foredeck cleat and my preference is for the corner with both red and green edges to be hoisted first, the end result is the same as when I raise my voice and point out my doubts re their parentage, their mental and physical shortcomings, and their usefulness to society in general, it just takes until the leeward mark to happen. Surprisingly some come back!
 
awol said:
If you can't be rude to the people you like, who can you be rude to? On the odd occasion when I have politely asked the crew to perform a task, say hoist the spinnaker, and have accompanied the request with "please", "when you are ready", "at your convenience" and other emollient words and have resisted the temptation to point out that the guy is rigged through the guard-wires, the pole is upside down, the bag is not hooked onto the boat, the halyard is wound round the forestay, the sheet is looped round a foredeck cleat and my preference is for the corner with both red and green edges to be hoisted first, the end result is the same as when I raise my voice and point out my doubts re their parentage, their mental and physical shortcomings, and their usefulness to society in general, it just takes until the leeward mark to happen. Surprisingly some come back!
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They manage to do ALL of those in one go? :eek:
WOW, now I know I'M lucky :D
 
awol said:
If you can't be rude to the people you like, who can you be rude to? On the odd occasion when I have politely asked the crew to perform a task, say hoist the spinnaker, and have accompanied the request with "please", "when you are ready", "at your convenience" and other emollient words and have resisted the temptation to point out that the guy is rigged through the guard-wires, the pole is upside down, the bag is not hooked onto the boat, the halyard is wound round the forestay, the sheet is looped round a foredeck cleat and my preference is for the corner with both red and green edges to be hoisted first, the end result is the same as when I raise my voice and point out my doubts re their parentage, their mental and physical shortcomings, and their usefulness to society in general, it just takes until the leeward mark to happen. Surprisingly some come back!
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Ha Ha ! AWOL, very funny post, sounds like brain dead crew, partied late night before, no good threatening the breathalyser, they would only get sick into it!
 
Politeness and courtesy are signs of competance


Indeed. Henceforth whenever I torpedo someone with my bow I shall endeaver to be the very epitome of politeness and courteously offer them a bucket with which to bail out the inrush of water.

That will impress the socks off em.



:D
 
When a boat on port tack bears away to go behind one's stern (being on starboard tack) then rounds up at the last second to do £15k's worth of damage, one is not inclined to respond with

"Good morning sir, how jolly nice to meet you."

One is inclined to bellow words akin to "fork in rissole", but one has done nothing to label one's self incompetent.
 
LittleSister said:
So it is often said. Why, then, is it not more prevalent? Indeed, why is rudeness so prevalent, almost celebrated, in popular culture (TV etc.) and business/management?
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I reckon it is the "ME" culture thingy. That and the failing system of discipline in homes and schools
And TV "celeb culture". Lots of people think that shouting makes a joke (poor one at that) funnier.
 
You just need to watch The Apprentice with that bloke who sold Amstrad tat or The Dragons Den to see that a good dose of arrogance, self importance and rudeness do wonders for the ratings.

When in a position of power it is now OK to abuse and be rude to the less fortunate, less successful or less inteligent.

That is todays society and it's not going to get any better any time soon.
 
On the theme that it's OK to be rude among friends, I once took my then 75 year old Dad out on my Osprey dinghy; as we met a fellow D-Day veteran of his coming the other way in his cruiser, Dad gave a cheery wave from out on the trapeze.

Jack yelled " you daft b*****d, you'll be on crutches tomorrow ! "
 
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