ricky_s
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Don't know what all the fuss is about. Frankly, based on the moboers I've met, I think they should be ENCOURAGED to wash a bit more.
Cheeky bugger
Please cut your wash near moorings
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snowleopard
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The worst effects of wash are felt when the author is anything from 50 to 500 yards beyond the victim. The ones who are inconsiderate are probably unaware of what they have done because they don't see the effects.
In my experience it's commercial vessels that cause the most problems. The nearest I have come to physical injury was from Portsmouth pilots coming home past the Ballast buoy. And a fatality in Las Palmas before the start of the ARC a few years ago was caused by the wash from a fast ferry.
In my experience it's commercial vessels that cause the most problems. The nearest I have come to physical injury was from Portsmouth pilots coming home past the Ballast buoy. And a fatality in Las Palmas before the start of the ARC a few years ago was caused by the wash from a fast ferry.
ricky_s
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strakeryrius
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No generalisation made but a genuine question, but thankyou for your input and your points are noted.
I wonder why many mobos don't do as they are taught on the courses then?
We could ask equally why so many raggies don't do what they are taught on RYA courses too.
The average moboer is no less considerate or less well qualified than the average raggie. Its just that the capabilities of the two types of vessel let the minority of idiots show themselves up in different ways.
Idiot moboers go too close and too fast to other vessels creating wash and scaring the bejasus out of other water users.
Idiot Raggies can't do that - their boats aren't fast enough. They just show their lack of consideration by sailing across the bows of large passenger ferries or trying to beat up the Hamble in the face of an ebb tide on a busy Sunday afternoon. Need I say more?
Dipper
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I'm a raggie and for what it's worth I have never had a problem with MOBOs but I don't normally frequent narrow crowded channels with moorings.
And I do try to wave to you but you all give me such a wide berth that you wouldn't see me.
And I do try to wave to you but you all give me such a wide berth that you wouldn't see me.
benjenbav
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Wash? I quite often take the trouble to iron the water nice and flat for fellow mariners:
DPH
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Two weekends ago I left the lock at port solent and proceded at tickover through the moorings.
I was overtaken by a sailboat!
And yes he was making a wash.
I was overtaken by a sailboat!
And yes he was making a wash.
epervier
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She says, "look there's a yotty at anchor", "where?" says I, "back there about three miles",
Hang on, I'll go back and waste fuel just to piss him off. yeah right,
The op says it's not a them and us thing, as far as I'm concerned just by posting this kind of drivel, is a them and us argument. it happens, get over it, not everybody who owns a boat is Peter F Perfect! there are some Richard Heads out on the water as well.
Hang on, I'll go back and waste fuel just to piss him off. yeah right,
The op says it's not a them and us thing, as far as I'm concerned just by posting this kind of drivel, is a them and us argument. it happens, get over it, not everybody who owns a boat is Peter F Perfect! there are some Richard Heads out on the water as well.
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Fire99
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Err...go less than six knots?
Oh dear. Did I say I didn't?
The point i'm making is that if the speed limit is 6kts and a smallish motorboat decides to keep to the letter of the law then there are going to be a good few who still aren't happy due to the wake being left. And believe me there are plenty that, when they see a speed limit of 6kts, will do exactly that and not think "oooo maybe at 6kts i'm creating a bit too much chop so i'll slow down a bit."
Scotty_Tradewind
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May I try to explain the differences then, as I see it?
It may be intersting to visually take a check on the wave height and wave length in such cases.
Obviously some mobos are designed to go extremely fast on the plane whereas they are then most inefficient at 6-10knots and so cause a steep wave with a deep trough.
With some exceptions, I suggest that Yachts generally will be found to motor or sail anywhere up to 10 knots and have a hull designed to give as efficient a movement through the water at those speeds, hence a shallower bow wave running more parrallell with the hull.
They are very different vessels and so could perhaps be used in a very different way in the restricted areas of harbours, and moorings etc.
Fire99
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If you're saying that sail boats should be permitted to go faster through speed restricted areas than motorboats due to the depth/shape of their wake then I really don't think it's gonna 'wash' (excuse the pun.
)I'd also like to see what kinda sign you put for that one.
Greg2
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Wash
In my experience most mobo people will show consideration and slow down and of those that don't, some may not appreciate the extent of their wash (our Targa leaves a hell of a wash and is a standing joke amongst mates, but when looking back from the boat it doesn't look half as bad as I know it is). Not an excuse of course, because a skipper should pay attention and be aware of the wash created.
There are, of course, a small number to twots who just don't care but I have to say that in the UK we moboers are angels when compared to Greece. Having spent a couple of idylic weeks sailing (mast, sheets and everything...) in the Aegean I have to say that almost without exception the mobo types we encountered were arrogant, rude and sometimes appeared to go out of their way to create a wash. It was common to see a mobo alter course to pass close by us (at speed) and speed limits didn't seem to exist in harbours (it was little short of mayhem in some places). Gave me a whole new perspective on how mobos can sometimes be percieved...
In my experience most mobo people will show consideration and slow down and of those that don't, some may not appreciate the extent of their wash (our Targa leaves a hell of a wash and is a standing joke amongst mates, but when looking back from the boat it doesn't look half as bad as I know it is). Not an excuse of course, because a skipper should pay attention and be aware of the wash created.
There are, of course, a small number to twots who just don't care but I have to say that in the UK we moboers are angels when compared to Greece. Having spent a couple of idylic weeks sailing (mast, sheets and everything...) in the Aegean I have to say that almost without exception the mobo types we encountered were arrogant, rude and sometimes appeared to go out of their way to create a wash. It was common to see a mobo alter course to pass close by us (at speed) and speed limits didn't seem to exist in harbours (it was little short of mayhem in some places). Gave me a whole new perspective on how mobos can sometimes be percieved...
Scotty_Tradewind
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If you're saying that sail boats should be permitted to go faster through speed restricted areas than motorboats due to the depth/shape of their wake then I really don't think it's gonna 'wash' (excuse the pun.
I'd also like to see what kinda sign you put for that one.
Nice try Fire99 but no I'm not suggesting that anyone should be allowed to go faster.
What I am hoping is that maybe, just maybe, our interaction on this forum will have a teeny weeny effect on just one of us, to be a little more considerate when we're out there having fun. It would also be great to see/hear other mobos and raggies policing 'their own' when seen doing 'the dangerous or inconsiderate'. But maybe thats a pipe dream of mine. ??
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fergie_mac66
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On another thread somebody suggested a tube of Silka in the Water inlet
perhaps that would slow him down 707 was it ?
perhaps that would slow him down 707 was it ?
Fire99
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It's not a nice try anything.. I'm not trying to win some kind of forum competition to catch you out or something.
To a degree I get where you're coming from but it keeps bouncing into anti-motorboat and then I stop listening. (even though im currenty a rags n sticks man)
ricky_s
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Face it mate, MOBO bashing isn't going to work on the Mobo forum and wont win you any friends here.
snowleopard
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For every idiot moboer who either doesn't know how his wash affects others or actually thinks it's fun, there is at least one idiot raggie who thinks the colregs begin and end with 'power gives way to sail'.
I recall a thread on SB where more than one raggie was claiming a right-of-way boat was entitled to ignore the 'holding course' rule and tack across the bows of a mobo because 'they should be able to predict what we are going to do.
Let's face it, a certain percentage of the human race are morons and they're distributed fairly evenly.
oldgit
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On Balance
Just reflectiing in general.
Number of events that stick in mind caused by speeding Mobos...... Lots
Number of incidents involving saily boats that caused consternation.......H,mm must be one somewhere !
Mind you not been boating that long so fairly limited experience.
Just reflectiing in general.
Number of events that stick in mind caused by speeding Mobos...... Lots
Number of incidents involving saily boats that caused consternation.......H,mm must be one somewhere !
Mind you not been boating that long so fairly limited experience.
Elessar
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I know. My tongue in cheek point was mobos are affected by wash too, as rather eloquently put by Galadriel.
Elessar
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Well put. And have you seen the damage done when the ferry crash stops in a boat length. And have you ever seen it crash stop for a mobo? No. But then I've never seen a yacht making stupid wash so lets call it evens......