Playing chicken? Col Regs again.

[Robin]

Re: HMMM!

Yes that is what I would do too, that plus the fact tht they can see that I've moved from my comfy seat to actually behind the wheel is usually enough.

Wouldn't it be nice if the stand on boat occasionally gives a cheery thank you wave though, otherwise I'll have the b.......r on the next tack!/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[starboard]

I would suggest the Col Regs only work if every one understands them!!!! there I suggest really lies the problem. As "stand on" vessel rightly so you "stand on" in the belief that the "giveway" vessel actually understands he is the "giveway" vessel!!!I suggest you treat everyone else on the water as incompetant and are prepared to take evasive action soon enough should the situation dictate!!

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[beancounter]

Re: HMMM!

your prima crew must have been related to the gung-ho types who followed us up to the Shotley Spit bouy on Sunday afternoon, still flying their spinnaker. (Which our skipper was fairly sure contravened harbour authority instructions)

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[robp]

Re: HMMM!

I always, always give that "thankyou" wave. What does it cost? Otherwise it can start to look like that behind the windscreen righteousness.

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[duncan]

Re: HMMM!

surely you are not suggesting taking the autohelm off before it is absoluetly totally obvious that you are going to have to?

I believe they have a lot to answer for in many of these cruising situations - 36 fishing boats over Poole Outer Patch this weekend, not much more than a box 2 cables x 2 cables, and boat after boat went straight through (with weaving) the group because it lies in a direct line between Poole Harbour entrance and the Solent. As they could be seen before the boats actually engaged the autopilot you just have to assume that people 'push the button' regardless - and just keep going. Also sterring to a GPS rolling road they are scared stiff of going off the track and back on because it won't show them sitting in the middle of the track for the rest of the trip (unless they steer back onto the original track and then turn again!).
Have some lovely pictures of a semi displacement powerboat 'making friend's and influencing opinions' as he piles straight through at about 12 knots!

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[Robin]

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Waving is going out of fashion I fear, I wave to everyone who passes close but often get just blank stares back, even from Brits when we are abroad. Some Brits abroad when they realise our French boat has a British ensign will respond which says they wouldn't dream of waving to a foreigner! Sad really /forums/images/icons/frown.gif.

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[Magic_Sailor]

A couple of weeks back, the SWMBO and I were "racing" (I use the word loosely) up Southampton Water on starboard - wind NE. A larger sailing vessel with a blue ensign was overtaking me close to my port quarter heading toward the entrance to the Hamble.

It was late(ish) on a sunny Sunday afternoon so there was a lot of vessels about. He had the autopilot on and appeared to be doing something with a fishing line. Nobody else was visible on deck.

I stood on..and on. When about 10' away he seemed to notice me, knocked off the autopilot and bore away with a huffy "well thanks very much old chap!". I calmly (without shouting - he was that close) explained about starboard tacks, overtaking vessels etc - he denied that such rules existed. He went forth and multiplied (as SWMBO suggested) straight across all the other incoming vessels - still on autopilot, still fiddling with whatever he was fiddling with.

Did I miss something? Was it just me?

Magic

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[cameronke]

Hello Starboard

That is exactly the attitude that I adopt whilst riding a motorbike and believe that it has kept me alive and intact all these years (touch wood). I always treat another road user as if they are an unpredictable idiot that hasn't seen me. been seldom dissapointed!

Doesn't happen often on the Clyde as there is so much space and so (relatively) few boats, but on a few occasions where I have been threatened by a boat failing to adhere to the colregs I just sit and video them. I think that the thought that there poor seamanship is being recorded makes them think. Would also be useful if there ever was an incident

Regards
Cameron

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[BlueSkyNick]

More often, it is not that the give-way boat doesn't know the regs, it is that they haven't actually seen the stand-on boat. Particularly if they are healing, no lookout to leeward, with spray dodgers etc.

Discretion is definitely the better part of valour, in all circumstances.

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[jimi]

Healing

Yup .. when the buggers play doctors and nurses the last thing on their minds is giveway!

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[tome]

Re: HMMM!

Like Peppermint and others, I bear away and follow the transom round. This gives a clear indication to the stand-on boat that I'm giving way. Did this twice last weekend en route Cowes and was rewarded by a cheery wave on both occasions.

In any breeze, I tend to helm from the leeward side where I can see the set of the sails better and have much better forward visibility. Luffing up occasionally ensures that nothing is creeping up to windward.

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[flaming]

Excuse me if I'm missreading the situation, but if you're on Starboard and he approached from your Port quarter, aren't you windward boat? Especially if he bore away to keep clear?
Not defending his ability to keep a lookout, just intrigued as to how you read the situation.

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[brianhumber]

With Blue Ensigns being asleep is understandable, saying COLREGs do not exist is unforgiveable. Why not note his club next time and ask his commodore if this is club policy

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[Magic_Sailor]

You are correct I was therefore to windward.

However. My understanding of colregs is that an overtaking vessel (whether under sail or power) should "keep clear until safely past" the vessel being overtaken (whether under sail or power) - and this "overtaking" rule takes precedence.

So a sailing vessel, tramping on, must stay clear of a powered vessel, plodding on, until safely past - starboard tacks, windwards, starboard bows, power etc don't signify.

My colregs book is on the boat - so I can't check right now.

Magic

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[KevB]

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I'm glad your not the only one, I was beginning to think it was another one of those mobo yottie things as I nod or wave to most who I make eye contact with whilst on the water. It's amazing how many look away as if I wasn't there.

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[jimi]

Re: HMMM!

Think it depends how ugly you are really ... I get loads of energetic gestures cos I'm so handsome!

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[flaming]

I agree that the overtaking boat rule has priority over all other rules. Just wondering at what point you would feel a boat (even though sailing faster) was in fact coming at you from leward and not from astern?

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[Magic_Sailor]

OOOhhhh well astern.

I'd say about 95 degrees abaft the beam!

I hasten to add that I always felt I had room and control enough to tack as I was keeping a very close eye on him. Clearly the "thou shalt not have a collision" rule takes precedence over the overtaking rule!

Magic

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[jimi]

Quite clear

Rule 13

Overtaking

(a) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of part B, sections I and II, any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.

(b) A vessel shall be deemed to be overtaking when coming up with another vessel from a direction more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, that is, in such a position with reference to the vessel she is overtaking, that at night she would be able to see only the sternlight of that vessel but neither of her sidelights.

(c) When a vessel is in any doubt as to whether she is overtaking another, she shall assume that this is the case and act accordingly.

(d) Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.



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[noname]

i think your view correct ,for myself a relative newcomer to sailing larger boats my understanding of the regs is to take positive early action to avoid a situation developing and be aware of other craft,that to me means make a clear turn and make your intentions known.
i personally am out to enjoy my time on the water and don t feel there is any excuse for bad seamanship,whether the other boat is power or sail, racing or cruising unfortunately these people obviously think they are still behind the wheel of there car
the bully tactics of some so called skippers of motor ( also using there wash to intimidate) as well as sailing boats needs reporting ,and drawing attention to these clowns.
perhaps a name and shame forum?

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