Planar 2KW Diesel Heater

The pump should run at 1.5Hz at full power about half the frequency of the chinese ones. Which controller do you have?
Also just a point is that when an installation is new it does take a few hours to fully expel all the air from the system and then they output more heat. They do normally get to the point where its hard to hold your hand in front of it when its running after about 10 mins of running at full power though. Is the pump correctly angled up at the outlet and the pipe going up from pump to heater?
 
The pump should run at 1.5Hz at full power about half the frequency of the chinese ones. Which controller do you have?
OK, that’s probably about right - it was around half as quick as the video.

It’s the PU27 controller - had it on power mode up to full bars. I messed around with the other options when down at the boat over Easter but didn’t seem to have any effect.
 
Also just a point is that when an installation is new it does take a few hours to fully expel all the air from the system and then they output more heat. They do normally get to the point where it’s hard to hold your hand in front of it when its running after about 10 mins of running at full power though. Is the pump correctly angled up at the outlet and the pipe going up from pump to heater?
Thanks, the pump is angled and the pipe from pump to heater is going upwards. I’ve probably run it now for about 4-5 hours in total (I ran in for 2 hours or so last weekend whilst working on the boat).
 
Hi, as technical director of Autoterm in the UK I would like to ask the following question. is the fuel from your main tank? 99.99% of problems like this are poor quality fuel followed shortly by error 13 fault because the burner is sooted. The heated air out should be around 80C more than the air going in. Its in my view most likely poor fuel. The easy way to check this is to get some brand new road diesel in a can and draw directly from that. Then you can see for sure either way. These heaters always work straight from the box so its going to be a fault on the boat or the installation. If the exhaust is not hot it has to be poor flame temperature and this is almost always due to fuel.
Just to push for a bit more detail as I suspect I have had a similar issue. I seem to remember on first install an error code repeatedly came up for several cycles which you said was normal. Was that error code 13? We don't use a lot of diesel so our tank in September could easily be dismissed as old fuel - but surely the display unit would indicate an error code rather than run but not provide proper heat. Appreciate you say I could test with a fresh can of diesel.
My other question is where you measure the output temperature ........ mine is a fairly standard 29ft boat installation with an insulated pipe run but measuring temperature is obviously easiest as it come into the saloon - think you have just answered that one!
 
I have fitted several genuine Planar heaters, supplied by Autoterm UK (Owen Cox)

I would confirm that Owen is correct that these heaters just work out of the box, that's always been my experience.
I also agree that a 2kw heater will keep a 33ft boat warm enough, i've not had complaints from customers with such installations.
Fitting a 4kw heater to a small boat means it will mostly run at low power and risk sooting up.

I'm going to disagree with Owen regarding recirculation air. Yes, it might be more economical, but can lead to more condensation. I always fit the air intake to draw fresh air in, yet the 2kw heaters still easily heat a 33ft boat.

Finally, Owen has a good point about fuel quality. If the fuel is old, it will not burn as hot as fresh fuel. The heater and its diagnostics have no way of detecting this. If the fuel burns, albeit not as hot, the flameout sensor will not shut the heater down or generate a fault code.

I recently looked at a friends boat that would not rev properly, i checked the fuel and it didn't feel or smell right, i knew it was old/stale fuel, even though the engine ran fine last season. The tank was emptied and filled with new fuel, the filters changed and it ran as good as ever.

A can of new fuel will soon prove or disprove the fuel.
 
Thanks, the pump is angled and the pipe from pump to heater is going upwards. I’ve probably run it now for about 4-5 hours in total (I ran in for 2 hours or so last weekend whilst working on the boat).
Whats the ducting run like? Any restrictions can cause it to go into overheat mode and slow down or even stop until it cools down again?
 
Just to push for a bit more detail as I suspect I have had a similar issue. I seem to remember on first install an error code repeatedly came up for several cycles which you said was normal. Was that error code 13? We don't use a lot of diesel so our tank in September could easily be dismissed as old fuel - but surely the display unit would indicate an error code rather than run but not provide proper heat. Appreciate you say I could test with a fresh can of diesel.
My other question is where you measure the output temperature ........ mine is a fairly standard 29ft boat installation with an insulated pipe run but measuring temperature is obviously easiest as it come into the saloon - think you have just answered that one!
Yes that would be error 13 (failed to start) measuring output air without ducting is fitted is a good way but to be honest what we use is the diagnostic tools and laptop and read combustion chamber temperature instead which is hotter and a much more accurate reading.
 
I have fitted several genuine Planar heaters, supplied by Autoterm UK (Owen Cox)

I would confirm that Owen is correct that these heaters just work out of the box, that's always been my experience.
I also agree that a 2kw heater will keep a 33ft boat warm enough, i've not had complaints from customers with such installations.
Fitting a 4kw heater to a small boat means it will mostly run at low power and risk sooting up.

I'm going to disagree with Owen regarding recirculation air. Yes, it might be more economical, but can lead to more condensation. I always fit the air intake to draw fresh air in, yet the 2kw heaters still easily heat a 33ft boat.

Finally, Owen has a good point about fuel quality. If the fuel is old, it will not burn as hot as fresh fuel. The heater and its diagnostics have no way of detecting this. If the fuel burns, albeit not as hot, the flameout sensor will not shut the heater down or generate a fault code.

I recently looked at a friends boat that would not rev properly, i checked the fuel and it didn't feel or smell right, i knew it was old/stale fuel, even though the engine ran fine last season. The tank was emptied and filled with new fuel, the filters changed and it ran as good as ever.

A can of new fuel will soon prove or disprove the fuel.
I find with condensation if you leave the hatch a bit open it all goes out that way. Then yoy keep the efficiency. Each to their own. I also don't like nasty locker smells being sucked into the cabin but its up to the end user. I do whatever they wish.
 
Yes that would be error 13 (failed to start) measuring output air without ducting is fitted is a good way but to be honest what we use is the diagnostic tools and laptop and read combustion chamber temperature instead which is hotter and a much more accurate reading.
Thanks Owen. I've got a tank virtually full of new fuel so I will give it a good test in the next couple of days.
 
Whats the ducting run like? Any restrictions can cause it to go into overheat mode and slow down or even stop until it cools down again?
The ducting is pretty straight - certainly no tight bends on anything like that but i did try this without the ducting and again, wasn’t much better.

This thread has been helpful though - it’s clearly not working as intended so I will happily re-try fresh fuel again and ensure there are no bends in the fuel line. I will report back given all the great feedback in a few weeks once back down at the boat. If no better, i can share a picture of the setup - if it’s an install issue, I can hopefully rectify quickly :)
 
Hi Owen. Which is the Facebook group you use. I tried to join one and got nowhere and then forgot all about it. PM me here if that feels like something you are not supposed to do!
 
Installed a 2K Planar in a Princess 35 several years ago.
Never once let me down and never had any problem getting help and installation back up.
Self installed and connected to pre existing Eber warm air sytem, only minor installation problem was needing an inital decent length of large diameter pipe connected to heater outlet before it divided up into the smaller pipes carrying warm air into the various parts in fore and mid cabins.
Four outlets, windscreen, saloon, fore and mid cabin.
In hindsight should have gone for the more powerful unit.
The heater was drawing air from outside the boat and would after a while get the boat warm but never toasty.
Suspect as with most boats a fair amount of heat was escaping via gaps in the boats internal construction.
We did stay on boat and on one occassion it was below freezing .
 
Installed a 2K Planar in a Princess 35 several years ago.
Never once let me down and never had any problem getting help and installation back up.
Self installed and connected to pre existing Eber warm air sytem, only minor installation problem was needing an inital decent length of large diameter pipe connected to heater outlet before it divided up into the smaller pipes carrying warm air into the various parts in fore and mid cabins.
Four outlets, windscreen, saloon, fore and mid cabin.
In hindsight should have gone for the more powerful unit.
The heater was drawing air from outside the boat and would after a while get the boat warm but never toasty.
Suspect as with most boats a fair amount of heat was escaping via gaps in the boats internal construction.
We did stay on boat and on one occassion it was below freezing .
A 2kW is a small unit for a large volume boat like that. I have a 4kW in a fairline phantom 40 and its roasting within an hour. It recirculates air as well so is making the most of the power. Sailing yachts have a much smaller interior volume so a 2kW will do a larger length boat without issues. However around 30ft is where i consider a 4kW anyway. Its often space for ducting that decides in the end.the 4kW uses 90mm ducting instead of 60mm for the 2kW.
 
Hi, I know lots of threads on here re. Diesel Heaters but wanted to seek advice from those with a 2KW Planar heater specifically.

I recently installed the kit into the locker on a 28ft with one duct into the galley and fresh air intake. Whilst the air being expelled gets warm, it’s not particularly hot - appreciate this is subjective but I can hold my hand over the duct or on the ducting without any issues.. similarly, I can hold my hand over the exhaust outlet without being burnt! Cabin struggles to heat up. Perhaps this is how it’s supposed to work but am a little disappointed.

Having spoken to Planar support, they suggested air in the fuel line or poor fuel - I’ve bled the system and taken fresh fuel but no better. They’ve now advised that it should recirculate air from the cabin (along with the associated moisture issues). I‘ve checked the power setting and this is at 9 (I’ve seen some threads where this was set incorrectly).

My question is, how hot should these get as it would appear mine isn’t working correctly.

Thanks
Our 2kw Planar (supplied by Owen) on a 32 foot Sadler has been faultless for 3 seasons. If anything it runs too hot at the lowest setting! But I lagged every inch of the ducting and set it up to recirculate from the cabin. We don't seem to suffer from excessive condensation but we always have some flow of fresh air in the cabin. Without doubt it has been an excellent purchase.
 
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As an aside, what is the physical difference between a 2kW and a 4kW? I have both (Chinese version) and the bodies appear identical.

I've had both 4kw and 2kw Planars. I swapped the larger for the smaller as it overheated and I could only run it on the lowest setting with the consequent dangers of sooting. Anyway, to answer your question, the 2kw Planar is considerably smaller in physical size.
 
Chinese 4(5)kW and 2kW are more or less the same size as a 4kW Autoterm heater but a 2kW autoterm is smaller.
I think that’s not quite right - or at least there’s a bit more to it. You can get a 2kw ‘Chinaspacher’ that is physically a fair bit smaller than 5kw one - though the smaller heaters are hard to find because what is also sold (more commonly), is a 5kw (large body) de-tuned to give 2kw max.
 
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