Pippin 20 Thread - For New and Experienced Owners :)

[mmcare00]

Does anyone want a free Pippin 20? It turns out I won't be in a position to get onto the water after all, and although it saddens me to admit it, I think it is best if I can find someone willing to take on the boat as a running project, so that she does go back under sail instead of wasting away on my drive.

The trailer is 100% serviceable, with good bearings, brakes, new tyres, new towbar coupling, lights and electrics.

The boat is 95% done - a small amount of ropework needs to be replaced (e.g. topping lift, main halyard and roller reefing halyard) and the engine needs a service. Other than that, the hull has been sanded down below the waterline, to remove loose antifoul, and paintwork refreshed.

Inside, the electrics work (deep cycle battery in good order) and cushions are all cleaned and in good condition.

She comes with a basic sail set (Main and furling genoa), anchor chain and 2 x anchors plus warp. There is a good quality inflatable tender, lots of miscellaneous equipment, a working galley, porta-potti and radio.

If you are interested, please drop me a line via PM on this site, or email me at martinjmcareavey@gmail.com

I'd be happy to do a video / whatsApp walkaround for any interested parties. I'm not looking for any money, just hoping she can go to a good home.

Martin

 

[William_H]

What a sad ending to a great saga. It would be a lovely boat for some one who wants a TS. It does emphasise the problem with boats. The dream looks great before you buy. Only with ownership do you really learn if a boat is for you. Don't feel bad you are not alone. In fact around here I would say 80% of boat owners are really not into owning and using a boat but are too stubborn to get rid of boat. ie they don't use it. Best wishes to you. ol'will

 

[mmcare00]

Thanks Will At least I'm not many £thousands embedded into the project ! I've also just had to scrap a Mercedes camper van that has consumed two years of my life and at least $AUS 18000 only to end badly. The Pippin has cost me only a fraction of that, but will be harder to let go for sentimental reasons. And anyway, perhaps no-one will want it even if it is free of charge! We shall see. If I had deeper pockets and more time on my hands I would most certainly press on and keep her, but the reality is time is precious and times are hard. All the best to you and fellow thread readers on the other side of the planet

 

[Ribtecer]

Does anyone want a free Pippin 20? It turns out I won't be in a position to get onto the water after all, and although it saddens me to admit it, I think it is best if I can find someone willing to take on the boat as a running project, so that she does go back under sail instead of wasting away on my drive.

The trailer is 100% serviceable, with good bearings, brakes, new tyres, new towbar coupling, lights and electrics.

The boat is 95% done - a small amount of ropework needs to be replaced (e.g. topping lift, main halyard and roller reefing halyard) and the engine needs a service. Other than that, the hull has been sanded down below the waterline, to remove loose antifoul, and paintwork refreshed.

Inside, the electrics work (deep cycle battery in good order) and cushions are all cleaned and in good condition.

She comes with a basic sail set (Main and furling genoa), anchor chain and 2 x anchors plus warp. There is a good quality inflatable tender, lots of miscellaneous equipment, a working galley, porta-potti and radio.

If you are interested, please drop me a line via PM on this site, or email me at martinjmcareavey@gmail.com

I'd be happy to do a video / whatsApp walkaround for any interested parties. I'm not looking for any money, just hoping she can go to a good home.

Martin

What a shame for you, I've been following your progress with interest.

 

[mmcare00]

What a shame for you, I've been following your progress with interest.

Thanks for your commiseration! It isn't a final 'done deal' just yet - there is the possibility that a family member (son or brother in law) might take her on, which would be brilliant. However, I can't necessarily rely on that working out, and so if someone steps in wanting a very good boat for free, then I may have to go that way instead, as I don't have the stamina to continue the journey under my own sail..

 

[mmcare00]

OK, so things are looking much better this week, with commitment from family to use the boat this summer, and at least a glimmer that I'm not going to be stuck landlocked after all. There is still a fair amount of work to do, but it feels a bit more likely that we will get on the water in the next few weeks. Cornwall might have to wait till next year, but Rutland Water (using an electric trolling motor) could be the first port of call. Here's everything crossed.... again

Steve and Neil, on Rutland, do you have an annual permit, or day sail? Do you have to launch and recover every time you use the boat, or can she stay on the water? Are there any moorings around the lake where it is permitted to pick up for an overnight? Are there any pontoons where boats can come alongside? Usual questions, for a baggywrinkle, I believe

M

 

[mmcare00]

Am happy to report that the boat will be staying with us now, as we have found a way of using her and not just having a permanent blockage on the driveway

I think she will be going down to Lincolnshire in a few weeks, to be billeted at my son's place, where we hope to get on the water via Boston Marina onto the Wash. All fingers crossed!

 

[Russ Fisher]

Hi - Glad you are able to keep your boat, it would be a shame to have to let her go after doing a load of work.
I'm just back from a sailing venture on Ullswater with my Pippin. The trip was fine and it's a lake that I really love but my conclusion is that I need something smaller for trailering. My Audi A4 Estate pulled the boat fine (2.0TD) but the launching and recovery on a pebble beach was a bit tricky. Without my roller -equipped trailer I don't think we could have recovered the boat. I have concluded that my best shot is to offer 'Grace' up for sale. I may be interested in a smaller boat in p/x. Dracombe?. The whole package includes the boat, trailer (completely refurbed in 2024 with one new axle and the other rebuilt. All new tyres (6 as the new axle has a different PCD) - £1500 in total) Trailer is also modified with roller bunks for ease of launching (one person job on a concrete slip). 6HP Yamaha four stroke engine in perfect condition with 10 l auxilliary fuel tank. 'Minn Kota' electric outboard for reservoir use (no outboards allowed on Rutland water) Nasa Duet (depth / Log) instrument, Wireless wind direction / speed instrument (masthead gear removed due to trees overhead at Rutland). Recently fitted LED Nav lights + anchor light at masthead. 110a leisure battery, portable gas stove. Garmin fishfinder. Sails are good condition original Jeckells. (2005). Plus a complete unused set of dark red sails (jeckells) from when the boat appeared as a 'Prop' in an episode of 'Vera'. Usual selection of fenders, warps, lifering, 8ft launch extension bar. The Boat is currently ashore at Rutland water and storage and launch fees are paid up until April '26. If anyone wishes to view the boat I can go over at a few days notice.

 

[mmcare00]

Hello Russ, my son who lives in Sleaford is looking for a boat to use on Rutland Water - how much are you looking for? Perhaps you could PM me?

Best regards

Martin Mc

 

[Russ Fisher]

Hello Russ, my son who lives in Sleaford is looking for a boat to use on Rutland Water - how much are you looking for? Perhaps you could PM me?

Best regards

Martin Mc

Hi Martin. I am a complete IT Luddite so not sure how to send a PM here. Anyway, I'm looking for £6k for the full inventory and can adjust if some items are not required. ie engine etc.

 

[stbdout]

Hi All. For some reason I've only got a notification of added posts today. Good to catch up on people's stories. Martin, glad to hear you're keeping jamie-louise(?). Hope it works out. Finally manage to rename our pippin if anyone sees us out on Rutland water.
Steve

 

[PipDMA]

Hello I bought a Pippin 20 on the Norfolk Broads today. Is this a good place to ask for help and advice. Are there any Norfolk Broads Pippin owners out there

 

[stbdout]

Hi PipDMA, welcome aboard! It's the only place I've found that seems to have knowledgeable and helpful Pippin owners as well as sharing our stories and progress - hopefully you'll find it useful.
Steve

 

[PipDMA]

Hello - has an owner got the time to write a short description of how to take the mast down and maybe add a few fotos?
Does any owner use a "gin" to lift the mast back up?
Thanks
David

 

[William_H]

Hello - has an owner got the time to write a short description of how to take the mast down and maybe add a few fotos?
Does any owner use a "gin" to lift the mast back up?
Thanks
David

Yes virtually every one.
The gin pole is vital to improve the geometry of the pull of your lowering/raising tackle./ Except in the lightest of masts the gin pole or A frame of poles is vital especially in lowering phase. Consider that when the mast is near horizontal a tackle pulling on the forestay will in essence be pulling the forestay horizontal with no lofting component of force. So especially when lowering the action goes smoothly until the mast is past 45 degrees when suddenly you have less and less control of the fall of the mast. So yes even on a 20 fter mast a gin pole I use 2 spin poles hinged on gunwhale abeam the mast to the base of the forestay. So when the mast is horizontal the forestay when pulled can lift the mast. Or slow it down when falling.
IMHO you could only do without a gin pole set up if you had strong tall blokes standing on cabin top and in cockpit to catch the mast or to lift it when raising.
However even with gin pole you need to make sure mast stays central on it's traverse down or up. In your case done with a person on cabin top holding it central.
But there are various staying arrangements available. Do search on this site for all the details and pictures. Just be careful. I have seen a mast dropped and broken on a trailer sailor similar to yours. ol'will

 

[PipDMA]

Yes virtually every one.
The gin pole is vital to improve the geometry of the pull of your lowering/raising tackle./ Except in the lightest of masts the gin pole or A frame of poles is vital especially in lowering phase. Consider that when the mast is near horizontal a tackle pulling on the forestay will in essence be pulling the forestay horizontal with no lofting component of force. So especially when lowering the action goes smoothly until the mast is past 45 degrees when suddenly you have less and less control of the fall of the mast. So yes even on a 20 fter mast a gin pole I use 2 spin poles hinged on gunwhale abeam the mast to the base of the forestay. So when the mast is horizontal the forestay when pulled can lift the mast. Or slow it down when falling.
IMHO you could only do without a gin pole set up if you had strong tall blokes standing on cabin top and in cockpit to catch the mast or to lift it when raising.
However even with gin pole you need to make sure mast stays central on it's traverse down or up. In your case done with a person on cabin top holding it central.
But there are various staying arrangements available. Do search on this site for all the details and pictures. Just be careful. I have seen a mast dropped and broken on a trailer sailor similar to yours. ol'will

Thank you William.

 

[mmcare00]

Hi Martin. I am a complete IT Luddite so not sure how to send a PM here. Anyway, I'm looking for £6k for the full inventory and can adjust if some items are not required. ie engine etc.

Hello again Russ, I was cycling round Rutland with my sons a couple of weeks ago and saw your boat (distinctive due to the roller arrangement on the trailer), looking in fine fettle in the boat park at the Sailing Club. I was wondering if you'd managed to sell it on, or if perhaps you'd decided to keep her? My son is still pondering the acquisition of a boat, but we let the summer rush by without doing much to scratch the itch!

All the best!

Martin

 

[Russ Fisher]

Hi Martin. Yes boat is now sold. I delivered Grace to Ulverston this week. I didn’t use it enough to warrant keeping it. Probably won’t buy another one. I’m expecting to sail boats which I don’t own in future.

 

[Tam Lin]

I have just downsized to a Pippin 20 for pottering about on the River Blackwater. I can’t see any results for an owners’ association or even a mention on Facebook. Would it be worth starting an association or even just a Facebook page?

 

[mmcare00]

Hello Tam Lin, and welcome to the thread Perhaps this forum provides the basis of such an association, without the additional 'noise' of creating a separate FB presence and content? If you read back over the discussions, there has been a healthy level of information exchange around the Pippin, and there are certainly groups that have the potential for meeting up (e.g. the Rutland Water 'fleet').