longjohnsilver
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I'm also there Wednesday, maybe we'll bump into each other.
Pics from sibs - inc Hardy 62
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Nordhavn philip
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Hi z1ppy,
You can tell from my user name I'm from Nordhavn. Our company policy is to allow everyone aboard and this wonderful forum has backed that up. If you we're asked to wait a short time to board, it was purely because the boat had lots of people aboard and we need to control numbers. Zephyros, the 43 at the show, is an owners loved and cherished boat, so we need to make sure we can control what is happening. I don't sit down to drink my coffee, so you probably saw us chatting with owners or Nordhavn dreamers. If you could have waited a few minutes you too would have been offered one of my rather delicious drinks.. Come down to the Hamble anytime and I will spend time showing you our boats. One thing I ask, however. If you have an opinion on a product try and get the name right!!!
One last thing, I've been on this forum for the last 12 years as a boat lover and owner, this is my first message as nordhavn philip and I am delighted to talk boats, cruising, long range displacement trawlers or any other thoughts from this fine forum.
Very best to you and all who read this!
You can tell from my user name I'm from Nordhavn. Our company policy is to allow everyone aboard and this wonderful forum has backed that up. If you we're asked to wait a short time to board, it was purely because the boat had lots of people aboard and we need to control numbers. Zephyros, the 43 at the show, is an owners loved and cherished boat, so we need to make sure we can control what is happening. I don't sit down to drink my coffee, so you probably saw us chatting with owners or Nordhavn dreamers. If you could have waited a few minutes you too would have been offered one of my rather delicious drinks.. Come down to the Hamble anytime and I will spend time showing you our boats. One thing I ask, however. If you have an opinion on a product try and get the name right!!!
One last thing, I've been on this forum for the last 12 years as a boat lover and owner, this is my first message as nordhavn philip and I am delighted to talk boats, cruising, long range displacement trawlers or any other thoughts from this fine forum.
Very best to you and all who read this!
Nordhavn philip
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Hard to compare a 43 footer with a 62 footer. Our Nordhavn 63 would have a freeboard like the Hardy. In a Cat A motorboat, freeboard is your friend. I really liked the Hardy 62. It's big, brash and tough. Great hull lines. Wonderful to see others doing something different.
dharl
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Just rechecked the Hardy Website...and they have the specs up now including the deck plan.
http://www.hardy-marine.co.uk/Hardy 62 Spec.pdf
Perhaps being in dark blue hull and light grey superstructure it has been commissioned by the RNLI as an additional training craft??
stuartwineberg
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Spent a lot of time on the Hardy 62 - the people from Windboats are lovely - very good to talk to. The boat is heavily customised for the Russian who ordered it (and then backed out) - right down to the gun cabinet in the main suite wardrobe - something no one should be without!!
Spent a lot of time on the Hardy 62 - the people from Windboats are lovely - very good to talk to. The boat is heavily customised for the Russian who ordered it (and then backed out) - right down to the gun cabinet in the main suite wardrobe - something no one should be without!!
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Is the boat sold now?
stuartwineberg
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Nope - 1.6 Million and she's yours. The engine room is worth a look on its own. Walk in full height (at least for me but I'm small) - huge MAN V8 engines, aircon, watermaker, big genset, 2 berth crew cabin with ensuite. I appreciate some people are used to big installations but this was quite something for me to see
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Deleted User YDKXO
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It won't be mine at £1.6m! Has anyone asked why they're asking £1.6m when only a few weeks ago they were advertising the 62 in MBY/MBM for less than £1m?
oldgit
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surely they must have taken a deposit and stage payments ?
longjohnsilver
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This particular 62? Presumably they've kept a hefty deposit from the guy who commissioned the build. Can't imagine a brand new build would give you much change from £1.5m
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Deleted User YDKXO
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There was an advert in MBM/MBY a few weeks which stated prices for all of their models and I think the quoted price for the 62 was something like £990k. The advert is still being published but I've noticed that the prices have been pulled recently. Anyway we'll see tomorow
kimhollamby
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I bumped into Andrew Wolstenholme, the designer, and he confirmed this development has been quite a journey to due to the sad death of Mark Funnell and then the withdrawal of the Russian owner of boat number one (as has been commented on elsewhere in this thread).
It was reasonably clear from Andrew's comments that a lot of the features on this particular example were driven by the owner and it sounds like they have a lot of different ideas for subsequent builds.
Boat achieved 31.7kt on trials, was launched just before show and as you'd expect at that size came around from the yard under her own steam, non-stop at quite a rate of knots.
Not been aboard yet but it certainly catches the eye and looks like it would take a fair bit of weather before getting troubled. I quite like the grey but I suspect my wife wouldn't ;-)
It was reasonably clear from Andrew's comments that a lot of the features on this particular example were driven by the owner and it sounds like they have a lot of different ideas for subsequent builds.
Boat achieved 31.7kt on trials, was launched just before show and as you'd expect at that size came around from the yard under her own steam, non-stop at quite a rate of knots.
Not been aboard yet but it certainly catches the eye and looks like it would take a fair bit of weather before getting troubled. I quite like the grey but I suspect my wife wouldn't ;-)
Firefly625
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I was shown Andrew Wolstenholme designs for the new Hardy 50..... basically a bigger version of the 40DS, but as quite often seems to be the case, the longer length of the 50 does improve on the looks of the 40
jfm
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I'm quietly studying the "roughty toughty" boat market because I might go that way with next boat. I'm thinking Magellano, Outer Reef, Hardy (esp if they do a 70 next) and so on. Because of this thread, and BJB's thread on the Hardy 40DS, I took a closer look at these boats
IMHO, Hardy have got the marketing of the 62 badly wrong. When you read the spec, and know the thing has 2 commas in the price tag, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. I know the thing is fully customisable, but the base spec starts with things like 300 litres of black water (Helloooo?), halogen lighting, 32Amps of shorepower FFS, Fisher Panda 6kva genset which is basically a child's toy, "compact" washing machine and tumble drier which is code "smaller than a standard 60cm domestic unit ie useless", Jabsco toilets, 60metres of anchor chain, and so on.
What they need to do is add £100k or whatever to the base price and start with a base spec that is sensible. Then buyers can customise from that point upwards. But as it is, from the spec sheet you think these people haven't got any clue how to build a serious sea boat. I know that isn't true, but it is for sure the impression given by their marketing materials.
Just to be clear I'm only commenting here about the impression given by their marketing materials, not the actual boat which I don't doubt will be excellent if the customer re-specs it from scratch
IMHO, Hardy have got the marketing of the 62 badly wrong. When you read the spec, and know the thing has 2 commas in the price tag, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. I know the thing is fully customisable, but the base spec starts with things like 300 litres of black water (Helloooo?), halogen lighting, 32Amps of shorepower FFS, Fisher Panda 6kva genset which is basically a child's toy, "compact" washing machine and tumble drier which is code "smaller than a standard 60cm domestic unit ie useless", Jabsco toilets, 60metres of anchor chain, and so on.
What they need to do is add £100k or whatever to the base price and start with a base spec that is sensible. Then buyers can customise from that point upwards. But as it is, from the spec sheet you think these people haven't got any clue how to build a serious sea boat. I know that isn't true, but it is for sure the impression given by their marketing materials.
Just to be clear I'm only commenting here about the impression given by their marketing materials, not the actual boat which I don't doubt will be excellent if the customer re-specs it from scratch
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rafiki_
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JFM, you have been very quiet on here lately, guess cos you have been revelling in M2 and rightly so. However, is this the initial hint of a new build thread? How about the Snazi? There are not enough Snazi owners on here yet.
jfm
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Hi. Yes I've been quiet due to large amounts of time spent on boat since end of June when it arrived in France. I have millions of pictures and cruise report info which I'll try to find time to post over next couple of months. No, this isn't much hint of a new build thread. New boat is likely a couple of years away. I am thinking about what to buy next of course, as you do, and I might do something different like a trawler yacht or a Magellano. Being customer #1 of something like a Hardy 70 would be fun too, espercially as they seem a bunch of nice guys/quality builders based in UK (which is a lot of boxes ticked already). I have nowhere I want to go with typical flybridge cruisers because a new big Fairline is still vapourware at this point and while i love the design of Princess 82 I am not sure I can live with the build quality after seeing the Friday afternoon job displayed at the Cannes boat show (and being cut up by Princess's deckhead skippers as I was berthing Match at the show!). And I don't love the 80-ish foot Ferrettis and Azis enoguh to buy one. Nothing decided yet though regarding next boat, and we must take the discussion to another thread sometime rather than hijack this oneJFM, you have been very quiet on here lately, guess cos you have been revelling in M2 and rightly so. However, is this the initial hint of a new build thread? How about the Snazi? There are not enough Snazi owners on here yet.
rafiki_
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Great, looking fwd to the reports on a new thread.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Well you've got it about right there. I had a good look around the 62 today and I would characterise it as a bit of a blank canvas for a prospective owner and a work in progress for the yard. Windboats staff were certainly at great pains to point out that the finish would be improved in future boats and that they would work with buyers to customise the boat to their requirements. The good news is that fundamentally the boat seems to be right. It looks well proportioned, the basic engineering seems sound, the space inside is huge for a 62 footer and the accommodation layout is easy to move through. On the other hand, some of the detailing is downright poor. For example, the side doors from the saloon to the side decks are just standard doors, not the dogged down doors that a boat that is likely to be out in heavy seas requires, the interior steps to the flybridge look like they were nicked from another boat, the handles and hinges on some of the hatches are far too light. Then down in the engine bay the Fisher Panda (agree not good enough) gennies are located outboard of the starboard engine and are not accessible without crawling over the engine. The batteries are scattered all over the place, mostly in inaccessible positions. The engine coolant header tanks are again inexplicably stuck outboard of the starboard engine. On the plus side, the aft equipment room is superbly roomy but some of the equipment e.g. water maker, aircon compressor looks very undersized. As jfm pointed out, both anchor chains look to be very short and as an example of ultimate penny-pinching, some of the rode for the second anchor is rope, not chain!
As I say, I don't want to be too harsh because fundamentally this is potentially a fine seaworthy boat but any potential buyer needs to be very sure that the yard would hold good to their promise to work with them to improve the finish and much of the detailing. It might be wise to wait for hull no 4 or 5 to be built before ordering!
Btw those air intake boxes on the flybridge were apparently required because the standard engine intakes are not big enough for the MAN V8 engines fitted in this 62. I was told that on future boats, the standard intakes will be enlarged and the flybridge intakes removed
MapisM
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Blimey, and I thought to have seen all sort of engineering horrors on pleasure boats... Is that a joke, or what?
Aesthetic aside, just imagine someone leaving cushions/inflatable toys/whatever on the f/b, obstructing the intakes, and as a consequence the engines struggle breathing...!?!
Latestarter1
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MMM..prompted me to take a closer look at spec sheets, undersize Fisher Panda gen-sets are not an indicator of a premium product.
