Refueler
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So nothing to learn ??
I'm 66yrs old ... was in an Enterprise Dinghy at 5yrs old off Lee on Solent beach ... and I still have lots to learn ...
Pick up mooring buoy with grab handle
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So nothing to learn ??
I'm 66yrs old ... was in an Enterprise Dinghy at 5yrs old off Lee on Solent beach ... and I still have lots to learn ...
Chiara’s slave
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You cannot go alongside. If it were possible, someone, over the last 100 years would have done it and shown us all how. There are guys who've been doing it for 50 years who do it the way we all do it. Bows to, crew on foredeck. Sail(s) up or down according to strength and direction of wind.
Chiara’s slave
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I don’t think I’ve said that. What I have said is that those of you who havent tried to pick up said mooring in a 20ft day boat, wind over tide, ie 3-4 ft chop, should perhaps conclude that 100 years of others, including me trying a few things, might actually understand more about this particular area of small boat evolution. Thats all. We don’t carry a boathook as its no use, in the way, and extra weight. We don’t carry much, except a spare spinnaker pole in case one gets stood on in the rush.
Refueler
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Just because its been done for eons - doesn't mean that its best way ............ things and techniques evolve ........
Chiara’s slave
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Sure they do, but it wont be a boathook. You’d have a helluva job even to touch the pickup with a hook on a pole, boat and buoy moving 3 ft independently, and having only a few seconds to do it in before aborting. And thats aborting in a trot line, possibly with no sails. The pickup needs to be pretty bomb proof.
Refueler
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So the guy sprawled on the bow deck has greater reach than a boathook ????
Sorry - but as I said - seems you will try find any excuse to parry any suggestions ....
Enough - I'm done.
Chiara’s slave
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You said that before. And its not about reach, its about the sureness of the grip and the accuracy of the grab. I don’t recall mentioning reach at all. You seem remarkably confident you could do it better in spite of having never tried it. Lots of guys of your age in the fleet, but most get someone younger to be at the front. Its a tough pull, quite often. I wouldnt care to try it in adverse conditions with a boathook.
Rappey
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They are all gone and have been replaced by hippo type needing a boat hook.
You should hook the rope to the pickup buoy rather than mess around trying to hook the handle. That way you can't miss.
For sail without engine I found it easy to have a rowing boat on the mooring as then you can sail between the mooring buoy and dingy, giving lots of options of what to grab.
Daydream believer
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I wrote an explanation of boat hook & technique for those with little else to do
Boat hooks
Now there’s a subject that can keep the bar pundits at Stone Sailing Club going for ages, In fact any subject draws the crowd in, provided the orator is buying the beers. It is a little known fact that in the ever advancing world of electronics, the humble boathook has not been left behind.
My first hook worked perfectly well. A visit to Thomas Foulkes, under the Leytonstone arches, resulted in a massive, galvanised ex army (Boadicea’s Icean army that is) whaling harpoon, “8 ft broom stick handle 3s 7d extra”. Three hours whittling the end of the stick to get the correct taper to fit, resulted in a 4 ft handle; 3 inch nail sticking out of the side & a wobbly 10Lb lump of metal on the end. One of the most dangerous pikes known to the Romans.
Whoe betide anyone on starboard tack who comes between old Pete & his buoy. Full main & topsail set, the crew hanging over the pulpit waving the hook, like Boadicea in full fighting trim, 400 yards from the mooring, shouting “left a bit, right a bit” as they thunders past 50 yards away down wind & down tide , the helm screaming obscenities at his crew for missing the ring.
Some idiot in the RYA has tried to banish one of life’s greatest skills, by doing away with the hook altogether. Instead you can see “RYA approved sailing school dot com” along the East coast with poor souls hanging over the bow trying to lasso the buoy like Roy Rogers riding Trigger. Those that do manage to actually lasso the buoy, & not the prop, and then manage to burst the buoy- leaving the owner wondering where his £ 400-00 of best quality Chinese chain has gone.
Seeing a hole in the market on the Blackwater I flog the chain, so no complaints there, as the each year owner after owner come with tales of woe & “Do I have any chain?”, “Oh!! & have you got any buoys left?”
It is a little known fact that the RYA has robbed this from an earlier anchoring technique still practised at Stone.
As we know if you are on starboard tack, running down wind, an old gaffer has right of way over everything in its way, including moored boats. The technique is to let the dinghy out on 200 ft of line (you must have seen old gaffers thus rigged) generally with the wind up the chuff the dinghy will overtake to leeward forming a gigantic bight in the painter. The experienced helm just has to select a plastic fantastic 3 moorings up from his & lasso it with the dinghy, plus the next 2 down the line, thus bringing the heaviest of gaffers to a grinding halt. A leisurely stroll to the bow & our whiskery old salt leans over & gently raises the buoy. “Oh! Have I hooked my dinghy? Sorry old son, Never mind it will unhook when the tide changes” Just as 3 owners rush for the gel filler & insurance policies
There were 2 designs of hook. One was for swinging mooring owners, which had 2 hooks on the end. You only used one, but two meant more danger with the cat’s cradle getting it out from the bottom of the deepest locker. New crews, eager to please after a day’s cruise, would offer to grab the buoy. More experienced crews would breathe a sigh of relief. Many a novice crew has fallen in to the locker. Sweeny Todd was said to live in a London Street but his counterpart- the owner of an old gaff cutter in Maldon lives on- luring new crew on board, never to be seen again, with the promise of far off lands & hot meat pies at 8 bells.
If you did manage to unwind the tangle of ropes, heaving lines, buckets & lead lines etc & did actually hook the ring, the weight of the old gaffer thundering past the buoy would drag you over the side in a trice. “Don’t you dare drop that hook” was the cry from the helm. Our budding crew had the choice, be dragged over the side & drown or 40 tongue lashings; most went for drowning.
The other type of hook was for dock side dwellers. Fortunately they rarely went anywhere, preferring to make tarry smells, grow beards & cover the boat in baggy wrinkle, looking to the casual observer like left over tea clipper salts. Anyway, this type of hook has a point & only one hook. This is designed for pushing the boat off just before it crashes into the sea wall. Instead of being pulled over the side the novice crew gets the end of the stick in his stomach & promptly gets pushed over the stern. Pity really, as he does not get the chance to see the bowsprit clear the wall at ankle level & wipe out 3 tourists & a heap of lobster pots the other side of the road.
So, mooring sales apart, there’s a lot to say for the good old hook.
But time moves on & some budding Dyson has decided he can improve on a bit of kit that has lasted generations of old Harry’s. First it was a large detachable gunmetal hook on a stick & attached to a line. Our budding crew just had to lean over, hook the buoy at 6 Knts & disconnect the handle & Bob’s your uncle, just as long as the other end was looped on to the samson post. Old Pete would then do 150 foot pirouettes around the buoy as gaff & topsail did crash gybes decapitating anyone who dared look above the gunwale. Here in St Lawrence Bay it is quite normal for the salts to start the season moored to the east of the club & by October they will be just off Osea pier 3 miles to the west. “Stan – we must do something about the size of these sinkers -I think I’ve dragged a bit”
Nowadays we have super plastic contraptions that threadle the line , bring it back to the boat, tie a bowline , drop the sail & make the tea - all for a mear hundred quid or so.
In the old days if you could not afford a new boat hook you moored just below one of the other cruisers & wait for one to come bobbing down tide like a broad’s fisher’s pike float. They all came from Thomas Foulkes so no one could tell who’s they really were; besides ,to admit you had just thrown it over the side cost more in thank you beers & embarrassment than the actual hook. If you lost yours you just had to move down tide & wait for another.
Nowadays it’s different. You have to buy the dearest hook possible just in case the bloke 100yds downstream catches it & he would see the price tag & nod with envy. The size of boat isn’t an issue any more; it’s the size of your buoy & boat hook. I just wish they would attach the instructions in waterproof paper so I could work out how to use them.
Daydream Believer
Boat hooks
Now there’s a subject that can keep the bar pundits at Stone Sailing Club going for ages, In fact any subject draws the crowd in, provided the orator is buying the beers. It is a little known fact that in the ever advancing world of electronics, the humble boathook has not been left behind.
My first hook worked perfectly well. A visit to Thomas Foulkes, under the Leytonstone arches, resulted in a massive, galvanised ex army (Boadicea’s Icean army that is) whaling harpoon, “8 ft broom stick handle 3s 7d extra”. Three hours whittling the end of the stick to get the correct taper to fit, resulted in a 4 ft handle; 3 inch nail sticking out of the side & a wobbly 10Lb lump of metal on the end. One of the most dangerous pikes known to the Romans.
Whoe betide anyone on starboard tack who comes between old Pete & his buoy. Full main & topsail set, the crew hanging over the pulpit waving the hook, like Boadicea in full fighting trim, 400 yards from the mooring, shouting “left a bit, right a bit” as they thunders past 50 yards away down wind & down tide , the helm screaming obscenities at his crew for missing the ring.
Some idiot in the RYA has tried to banish one of life’s greatest skills, by doing away with the hook altogether. Instead you can see “RYA approved sailing school dot com” along the East coast with poor souls hanging over the bow trying to lasso the buoy like Roy Rogers riding Trigger. Those that do manage to actually lasso the buoy, & not the prop, and then manage to burst the buoy- leaving the owner wondering where his £ 400-00 of best quality Chinese chain has gone.
Seeing a hole in the market on the Blackwater I flog the chain, so no complaints there, as the each year owner after owner come with tales of woe & “Do I have any chain?”, “Oh!! & have you got any buoys left?”
It is a little known fact that the RYA has robbed this from an earlier anchoring technique still practised at Stone.
As we know if you are on starboard tack, running down wind, an old gaffer has right of way over everything in its way, including moored boats. The technique is to let the dinghy out on 200 ft of line (you must have seen old gaffers thus rigged) generally with the wind up the chuff the dinghy will overtake to leeward forming a gigantic bight in the painter. The experienced helm just has to select a plastic fantastic 3 moorings up from his & lasso it with the dinghy, plus the next 2 down the line, thus bringing the heaviest of gaffers to a grinding halt. A leisurely stroll to the bow & our whiskery old salt leans over & gently raises the buoy. “Oh! Have I hooked my dinghy? Sorry old son, Never mind it will unhook when the tide changes” Just as 3 owners rush for the gel filler & insurance policies
There were 2 designs of hook. One was for swinging mooring owners, which had 2 hooks on the end. You only used one, but two meant more danger with the cat’s cradle getting it out from the bottom of the deepest locker. New crews, eager to please after a day’s cruise, would offer to grab the buoy. More experienced crews would breathe a sigh of relief. Many a novice crew has fallen in to the locker. Sweeny Todd was said to live in a London Street but his counterpart- the owner of an old gaff cutter in Maldon lives on- luring new crew on board, never to be seen again, with the promise of far off lands & hot meat pies at 8 bells.
If you did manage to unwind the tangle of ropes, heaving lines, buckets & lead lines etc & did actually hook the ring, the weight of the old gaffer thundering past the buoy would drag you over the side in a trice. “Don’t you dare drop that hook” was the cry from the helm. Our budding crew had the choice, be dragged over the side & drown or 40 tongue lashings; most went for drowning.
The other type of hook was for dock side dwellers. Fortunately they rarely went anywhere, preferring to make tarry smells, grow beards & cover the boat in baggy wrinkle, looking to the casual observer like left over tea clipper salts. Anyway, this type of hook has a point & only one hook. This is designed for pushing the boat off just before it crashes into the sea wall. Instead of being pulled over the side the novice crew gets the end of the stick in his stomach & promptly gets pushed over the stern. Pity really, as he does not get the chance to see the bowsprit clear the wall at ankle level & wipe out 3 tourists & a heap of lobster pots the other side of the road.
So, mooring sales apart, there’s a lot to say for the good old hook.
But time moves on & some budding Dyson has decided he can improve on a bit of kit that has lasted generations of old Harry’s. First it was a large detachable gunmetal hook on a stick & attached to a line. Our budding crew just had to lean over, hook the buoy at 6 Knts & disconnect the handle & Bob’s your uncle, just as long as the other end was looped on to the samson post. Old Pete would then do 150 foot pirouettes around the buoy as gaff & topsail did crash gybes decapitating anyone who dared look above the gunwale. Here in St Lawrence Bay it is quite normal for the salts to start the season moored to the east of the club & by October they will be just off Osea pier 3 miles to the west. “Stan – we must do something about the size of these sinkers -I think I’ve dragged a bit”
Nowadays we have super plastic contraptions that threadle the line , bring it back to the boat, tie a bowline , drop the sail & make the tea - all for a mear hundred quid or so.
In the old days if you could not afford a new boat hook you moored just below one of the other cruisers & wait for one to come bobbing down tide like a broad’s fisher’s pike float. They all came from Thomas Foulkes so no one could tell who’s they really were; besides ,to admit you had just thrown it over the side cost more in thank you beers & embarrassment than the actual hook. If you lost yours you just had to move down tide & wait for another.
Nowadays it’s different. You have to buy the dearest hook possible just in case the bloke 100yds downstream catches it & he would see the price tag & nod with envy. The size of boat isn’t an issue any more; it’s the size of your buoy & boat hook. I just wish they would attach the instructions in waterproof paper so I could work out how to use them.
Daydream Believer
gordmac
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Would using a trapping hook be a better idea than a boathook?
Refueler
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YOU brought up the subject of 'reach' by quoting 3ft rise and fall ...
Second - you have ignored the post where I specifically mention the Mooring aid that is on end of boathook that 'threads' a rope through ring / buoy .....
Third - if you think that after over 50yrs of boating I have not had serious conditions to moor in - then you are seriously mistaken. And just for the record - I am a Certificated Ships Deck Officer, Certified Cox and Lifeboatman .....
I would NEVER unless absolutely necessary subject any crew or myself to serious risk by having to hand grab a buoy in bad weather / conditions ... I would always find a safer way ... the mooring aid on my boat hook is such a 'tool' ...
As I say - you are determined to counter any suggestion .. horse to water comes to mind.
BYe ...
NormanS
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Back on subject for the OP - I used to own a 60ft converted fishing boat. The deck height at the bow would be considerably more than 2m, making boathook work challenging. As a practical boat owner, I obtained a large dahn buoy, similar to the type used by offshore fishermen. A steel tube down through the middle of the buoy came right up to bulwark level. When coming off the mooring, I would first come up to the buoy, attach the pickup line to the large hook at the top of the tube, and then drop the mooring. On return, it was just a case of nosing up to the buoy, lifting the pickup off the hook, and pulling up the mooring pennant.