Petition back on line

[sailaboutvic]

I know some will read this and think its a waste of time , others will think it dont effect them and won't bother with it .
It may not effect you to day but who to say the same won't apply next year and if not you to your sons or daughter.
Don't do as many did with the Brexit vote waste it and now moaning about it ,
It going to take a few mins of your life to sign it.

Petition: UK Registered and owned yachts and boats in EU should keep their VAT paid status

 

[syvictoria]

Signed.

 

[dslittle]

Well I’m Number 44 so a few more need to sign...

 

[sailaboutvic]

It as to start some where , only gone back on line this morning .
More people tell other the better

 

[Dukester52]

also signed - now at 50

 

[RupertW]

I think it’s entirely counter-productive - if we can keep it simple and having boats which were in the EU on 31/12/20 as VAT paid no matter what the flag then that works. The moment we start complicating it by differentiating between UK flagged boats and EU flagged boats when flag should be irrelevant for VAT we are in trouble. Stories from Greece are already showing that UK flagged boats are being treated differently and this will make it worse.

 

[Sandy]

Sadly, the UK voted to leave the EU. We must now learn to live in the new universe.

One thing puzzles me. Why are we still on Eurovision?

 

[sailaboutvic]

I think it’s entirely counter-productive - if we can keep it simple and having boats which were in the EU on 31/12/20 as VAT paid no matter what the flag then that works. The moment we start complicating it by differentiating between UK flagged boats and EU flagged boats when flag should be irrelevant for VAT we are in trouble. Stories from Greece are already showing that UK flagged boats are being treated differently and this will make it worse.

Rupert has you and I very well know Greece love their red tape and the ways they do things that there no logistic to it.

This is more about UK boats especially once that vat payment where made in the UK now being told if they are returned after a set time or without the original owner they will have to pay vat a second time.
Why anyone want to discourage anyone from sign this is beyond me.

It could easily effect anyone here who has a boat in the UK .
Six years down the line border boat ask you for prove of vat payment and where the boat was kept 2020 , are you still going to have paper work to show this where is was moored ,
if you keep the boat on your own mooring or on buoy own by a friend what prove have you got .
How about if you keep you boat in your garden.
and even if you had prove or you dis agree with HMRC , the stress of getting it sorted.

what about you view a boat you want to buy and the owner died and the family have no record where the boat was 2020 .

OK some here will say that won't happen ,
Let's face it guys if someone told you 3 years ago the world was going to shut down you would had told them dont be stupid

 

[RupertW]

Rupert has you and I very well know Greece love their red tape and the ways they do things that there no logistic to it.

This is more about UK boats especially once that vat payment where made in the UK now being told if they are returned after a set time or without the original owner they will have to pay vat a second time.
Why anyone want to discourage anyone from sign this is beyond me.

It could easily effect anyone here who has a boat in the UK .
Six years down the line border boat ask you for prove of vat payment and where the boat was kept 2020 , are you still going to have paper work to show this where is was moored ,
if you keep the boat on your own mooring or on buoy own by a friend what prove have you got .
How about if you keep you boat in your garden.
and even if you had prove or you dis agree with HMRC , the stress of getting it sorted.

what about you view a boat you want to buy and the owner died and the family have no record where the boat was 2020 .

OK some here will say that won't happen ,
Let's face it guys if someone told you 3 years ago the world was going to shut down you would had told them dont be stupid

I just think these petitions make us look silly as a country and entitled as a bunch of yacht owners. The whole Brexit scenario causes all those barriers to Med sailing as we knew it. But I still expect to be keeping my 2013 Croatian VAT proof in ten years time and also the proof of where the boat was at the end of last year. I just don’t want anything even more complicated attached to whether the boat is UK registered or not.

The saving grace in all of this is that the petition will sink without trace and therefore not cause that complication.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Rupert I think we both and many other hundreds sailor know what caused the problem in Greece , but let not go there .
Plus this has nothing to do with the EU , more to do with the way HMRC trying to rip us all off.
You could be right regarding the petitions sinking , but one can only try .
Signing it has no benefit to myself as my boat will never return while its own by me.
but in support of others I willing to put my name to it.
Boat owners in the UK could find a stress time ahead when in some years to come ask to prove where their boat was on B day , especially when it comes to selling it .

 

[Concerto]

Signed as number 142.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

214

 

[Genoa]

271

 

[RupertW]

Rupert I think we both and many other hundreds sailor know what caused the problem in Greece , but let not go there .
Plus this has nothing to do with the EU , more to do with the way HMRC trying to rip us all off.
You could be right regarding the petitions sinking , but one can only try .
Signing it has no benefit to myself as my boat will never return while its own by me.
but in support of others I willing to put my name to it.
Boat owners in the UK could find a stress time ahead when in some years to come ask to prove where their boat was on B day , especially when it comes to selling it .

Far from ripping us off HMRC confused things at the end of 2020 by being far too generous and this petition makes it worse as it complicates things further. You can’t legally have a boat imported simulataneously in 2 different customs areas so the simple rule was created - “Wherever you are on 31/12/20 defines which customs area your boat is VAT paid in“. That’s the legally binding part of both the ”No deal“ and “Withdrawal agreement“. All the extra generous provisions of giving a year’s grace and giving 3 years to return are probably legally challengable as a tax defining act happened on 31/12 so a boat returning within a 3 year period that spans the Brexit date cannot be lawful as it implies the boat is both UK and EU paid after 31/12.

But this silly petition will keep up the sense of Brits understanding nothing about the law, tax or Brexit but keep up the high sense of entitlement of flouncing out a club but hanging around the door saying, “What about this, what about that”.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Rupert I dont want to get into this , I posted this here , If people want to sign it great if not thats up to them to .
I couldn't disagree with you more on this ,normally we both on the same page you and I .
HMRC had no option but the extend the time limit and it wouldn't surprise me if they don't extend it again .

I wonder if a boat owner who boat is pre vat who in time to come get ask to prove his boat was in the UK Dec 1992 and if they can't gets a bill for vat , or someone who keeps his boat in his garden on his own private moor and has no prove where is boat was Dec 2020 if they would agree with you that HMRC are being Generous.
What happen to someone selling say 5 years time and got no paper trail bang goes a big part of his selling price.
bacislly Now HMRC are advise people to carry prove where their boat was and VAT prove is can easily happen.
And even if at the end of the day they walk scot free they would still have months of stress of dealing with it .
But as I said people don't want to sign thats up to them.
But thank for replying to my last posting , it keeps this thread just where it needs to be ,
Up on top .