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I berthed there for the first time last year. I was skippering a commercial charter and had a payload of 4 ladies celebrating a 50th birthday. We arrived just at the turn of midnight. Can’t say that I recall an issue with berthing/tying-up but it was a fun packed weekend watching the ladies celebrate ?
I arrived at 2 in the morning on a cloudy night a couple of years ago. Luckily the hammerhead was free, so we tied up temporarily there and I sent the crew down the pontoon with a glowstick to find n empty spot and then stand on the end of the finger as mobile lighthouse.
 

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If it looks appropriate I'll always offer to take a line, usually saying "My boat's just down there ..." so they know I have at least some experience. If they say "No thanks" I smile and walk on.

I’ll offer if a boat looks lightly-crewed - there seems little point if they already have people standing by on multiple lines. More often than not they’ll politely refuse, which is fine by me - I too have had a manoeuvre memorably cocked up by an overenthusiastic marina employee hauling in tight on a bow line he wasn’t asked to, flinging the stern out into the fairway.

Having taken a line I’ll ask the skipper “where d’you want it?” before taking a turn and then looking for further instructions to ease or snub - though if they don’t seem to know what they want, which does happen, I’ll use my best judgement.

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But, uncannily, the potential for it all going pear-shaped remains the same! :D


Wow, you're a Genius! (y)

LittleSister's First Law of Nautical Cock-ups:

"The law of conservation of cock-ups is a law of science that states that cock-up potential cannot be created or destroyed, but only changed from one form into another or transferred from one object to another."
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We sail just the 2 of us and if offered "assistance" we will normally decline UNLESS the weather is bad and even then the "assistants" need to understand that they are helping us, not teaching/coaching us! This may seem a bit arrogant but we have been caught out also a few years ago in Bembridge harbour getting onto one of the newly installed finger berths and the wind was very strong. We had a plan........but the person who insisted on helping us did not do what we wanted (put the line on the wrong shore cleat) so we told him to take him off and we went out and came in again, all after a long sail in shitty weather.

But, to clarify if the assistant does what you ask (not tell) then that is always a boon, but that is not always guaranteed as everyone has their own methods and routines.

Still, all part of the rich tapestry of the sailing life I suppose.

DTD
 

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Personally I never like help. Both of us are very capable, know what we are doing and work well as a team. Help nearly siesta causes us more problems than it solves.

On the other hand, as a potential helper, the real skill is in knowing whether your help is needed or not.
 

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Any "helpful" people on the pontoon should have enough knowledge to give them reason to be there, including the knowledge that the skipper of a vessel should always be in charge.
You could use diversionary tactics on insistent "helpful" people by throwing a rope that isn't attached to anything. By the time they've got their heads around the stupid thing you've just done you'd be cleated off and heading for the pub.
 

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Strange how you forget the hundreds of times you have passed the bow line to helper on the pontoon then stepped ashore with the stern line and everything has been fine.
Judging from this thread I think I will have to change my ways. For 35 years I have thought that lending a hand when a boat approaches a berth was part of sailing, not of the etiquette, but of the way of life, you offer help and hope that one day when you need it someone will be there. That is certainly the way it works on our pontoon and the way I have known it to work in most other places. That has lead to very nice encounters, interesting exchanges, drinks in the cockpit, even longstanding friendships.
I am afraid that now I will first check the ensign on the stern and if it is a red or blue or white U.K. ensign I think I will not bother any more.
 

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Judging from this thread I think I will have to change my ways. For 35 years I have thought that lending a hand when a boat approaches a berth was part of sailing, not of the etiquette, but of the way of life, you offer help and hope that one day when you need it someone will be there. That is certainly the way it works on our pontoon and the way I have known it to work in most other places. That has lead to very nice encounters, interesting exchanges, drinks in the cockpit, even longstanding friendships.
I am afraid that now I will first check the ensign on the stern and if it is a red or blue or white U.K. ensign I think I will not bother any more.
No. You have got the wrong end of the stick. National self-denigration is a sport that engages almost all true Brits, and complaining about aspects of national character or behaviour is part of it. I have been the recipient of helpful shore-persons at home and across much of the northern Continent. I would say that the willingness to help, and the utility of the help given, are actually much the same here and abroad. Similiarly, the attitude of skippers to proffered help is also much the same, though I think that possibly the effect of having a mutual language tends to bias us towards being bloody-minded towards our fellow nationals.

Unlike HissyFit, who apparently flits from marina to marina, we have often moored on town quays and such public places, and the chance of the help offered causing disaster here are greatly increased, so it is not always a 'pontoon'.
 

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Motoring into Littlehampton with the ebb just beginning the engine stopped so drifted over to the promenade side with remaining inertia.What was needed was a helpful holiday maker to pass the rope round a railing or lamppost and hand it back,but no my holiday maker wanted to tie a knot.
 

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Judging from this thread I think I will have to change my ways. For 35 years I have thought that lending a hand when a boat approaches a berth was part of sailing, not of the etiquette, but of the way of life, you offer help and hope that one day when you need it someone will be there. That is certainly the way it works on our pontoon and the way I have known it to work in most other places. That has lead to very nice encounters, interesting exchanges, drinks in the cockpit, even longstanding friendships.
I am afraid that now I will first check the ensign on the stern and if it is a red or blue or white U.K. ensign I think I will not bother any more.
I think most of the replies have been relating to UK mooring practices, mostly when coming alongside. For those of us based in the Med, almost all our mooring is stern-to, either to a jetty or a quayside. Standard practice is to reverse in with a stern line on each quarter of the boat, ready to throw to someone on the jetty / quayside. They slip the line through a ring or round a bollard and throw the end back to you, to make fast on the boat. There is almost always someone there to help, usually a marinero or somebody from the next door moored boat. About once a year the jetty / quayside is deserted, leading to a frantic effort to lower the passerelle or to find one of our crew still fit enough to jump the gap!
The real fun starts when trying to fix the lines so that the boat lines up straight and is just the right distance off the jetty.
 

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Marinas are not the best places to practice maneuvering and I guess we are all a bit nervous when entering a new location.
When you see a man/woman on the pontoon, in uniform, walkie talkied up, and with 'MARINERO' emblazoned across his/her chest, there is a tendency to assume that they know all about berthing yachts, handling lines etc., and tend to follow their instructions.
In my experience they are often very inexperienced and cause many a problem. If I am going to make a cock -up with berthing I would rather it was unassisted.:)
M.
 

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In Gaios, Paxos, Greece.
We were already safely stern-to mooored on the Town harbour wall.
Plenty of space, but a German cat was preparing to moor, and chose to be a little upwind of us (only a slight breeze).
They looked like an inexperienced crew, and it turned out to be a relucant wife, and two non-sailing friends, one of which was on the anchor but was of no help.

It started well when his wife threw they upwind line.
Some of you may know there are almost no bollards or cleats in Greece, just rings on/in the wall.
I put a loop through the ring, ready to throw it back, just as the wife walks forward and sits down, the husband shouts some curses, and comes off the helm, to the upwind hull.
I realise the downwind bow is slowly but inexorably heading for our boat, and have little choice but to take the strain...
Herr skipper leans over, but his (probably expenside) sunglasses drop off the top of his head and fall into the water....
With a shout of 'scheiss!', he jumps into the water.... yes, really, between the cat and the harbour wall.

His cat is obviously a rental, our yacht is not.

The downwind hull comes against the harbour wall, so the cat isnt going too far, but its soooo close to us now.
The cat is no longer moving, but the arms are seriously burning.
So I turn around looking for help, there's amost no-one near, apart from a Greek, sitting on bench, clutching a beer (he'd obviously had a few), and laughing his head off. Actually, I dont blame him, it must have looked ludicrous.

Herr skipper cant get out alone. No one about, so I have to hold the cat in one hand, and haul him out with the other....
He hops aboard, takes the line and winches himself back into position.

Jobs a good'un, beers und laughs later that evening..

I know, I know - you couldnt have written the script.
And the one time you need someone there with a camera/youtube --- no-one!!
 

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Many French marinas have short catways with no cleats on them. At the outer end is a curved piece of steel tube sleeved in plastic.
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Unless you have a line-threading boathook with jaws wide enough to pass over the tube, someone has to step onto the catway to pass a line around the tube and either pass it back on board or tie it with a knot.

Duncan Wells, a practical sailor if ever there was one, uses a folding grapnel which he attaches to a midships spring and drops it through the hoop. I haven't tried that but there's no reason I can see why it wouldn't work.
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A technique I have seen the French use is to have a bow fender rigged and just slowly motor up until the fender is in contact with the walkway at the inner end of the catway, leave the engine in slow ahead and lash the tiller over to the side where the catway is.

The boat will then sit there without moving for as long as required while the crew rigs shore lines.

While this technique might cause purists of the old school to raise their hands in horror (as they invariably do when anyone suggests anything new :rolleyes: ) , it works perfectly, is quite safe, and does no damage . It is ideal for the single-hander.


The only problem is when someone comes to help you and doesn't understand what you are doing. You then get the situation of someone desperately trying to keep your bow off the walkway while the engine is pushing it on and shouting "arrière" at you.

It all adds to the fun of sailing.
We've just purchased a bow fender exactly because of this. We've found it very common in France.
 

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Judging from this thread I think I will have to change my ways. For 35 years I have thought that lending a hand when a boat approaches a berth was part of sailing, not of the etiquette, but of the way of life, you offer help and hope that one day when you need it someone will be there. That is certainly the way it works on our pontoon and the way I have known it to work in most other places. That has lead to very nice encounters, interesting exchanges, drinks in the cockpit, even longstanding friendships.
I am afraid that now I will first check the ensign on the stern and if it is a red or blue or white U.K. ensign I think I will not bother any more.
I think it's sometimes hard to know whether to offer or not, personally I tend to offer a hand or maybe stand ready in case things go off-piste. Sometimes the boat coming into the pontoon might have inexperienced cew, sometimes the skipper might be having a bad day. Sometimes their engine or gear might be playing up. sometimes they are singlehanded or old and the winds got up more than expected.
Sometimes it's good to take their lines and hand the long suffering crew a glass of wine while the skipper faffs about doing things his way.
Other times, we just stand back and say 'That was neatly done. Where have you come from ....'
 
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