People helping to catch your lines

asteven221

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It's always nice to catch lines and help people berth their boat, but how do you react if the assistant on the shore causes you to get in to difficulty? I think it depends perhaps on what unfolds.

Here is a scenario which I am sure many are familiar with!!

Recently I was aiming the boat for a linear berth at the end of a walkway which had finger berths attached. A yacht was berthed on the last finger so I was aiming to berth on the walkway beside it. My good lady was holding the midships line ready to lasso a suitable pontoon cleat. Our long bow line was ready and brought back towards the aft gate, along with a shorter stern line ready for me to step off the boat and tie off. It is a well practiced and repeatable berthing method we have used for years. On this occasion there was a light but significant breeze blowing the boat off the pontoon as we made our approach.

So the story goes that I made a good approach and had the boat touching the pontoon, but had to act quickly due to the breeze. I was just about to step off with the stern line and a helpful chap on the pontoon came to assist, which immediately distracted me from my strategy. Spotting the potential problem of blowing off, I asked him to grab the stern line as the boat was indeed starting to blow off. For whatever reason, he decided to head towards the bow, grabbed the bow line and secured it to the pontoon. I really did not want that as the bowthruster would deal with that end of the boat. Now the stern was blowing off and as he had secured the bow I was starting to get in a bit of a pickle as the boat was heading for a 90 degree orientation to the pontoon. I had a yacht berthed on a finger behind and a stone wall about 30 feet in front. Immediately I thought "oh sh1t this is a problem", whilst I was trying frantically to think of a way of helming the boat out of the situation, given the restricted area and the fact the bow was tied off.

He then clearly felt that I didn't know what I was doing and started to coach me and give instructions to my wife, who was now getting different instructions from both me and him at the same time! My wife started to slightly panic and understandably got a bit confused on what to do. Of course as you might expect, she starts to ignore me as the other guy must know best. She is probably quite right. I have only being doing this boating malarky for over 30 years and still a total novice! :). The reality is that she is nice and polite, especially to strangers offering help. Anyway, I had to get a bit assertive and managed to get him to remove the bowline and chuck it back on board, so I could then get some control back into the situation.

That's the gist of that episode. We got berthed but my good lady wasn't too happy with my assertive manner towards the chap who was only trying to help. A fair comment from her, but under pressure and someone causing me all sorts of problems I am afraid I can't help getting a bit agitated. As we all know, bad things can happen very quickly when a boat starts to go out of control and someone has secured the wrong part of the boat to the pontoon on a long line. His actions although well meaning nearly resulted in a bump with the boat behind whilst I was being "instructed" to go astern by our new shore instructor, which fortunately I spotted at the last second and took avoiding action. Nevertheless the chap caused me all sorts of difficulty controlling the boat. I also had to endure a few frosty hours from SWMBO as I was apparently a cheeky pig and I should have been a lot nicer towards the man who came to help us. For the record, I didn't say anything too outrageous or very cheeky and thanked him for his "help"!

By contrast, the day before I was going astern into a marina pontoon in a stronger wind which was more tricky. On that occasion a guy came to assist and knew exactly what to do. Without any words from me, grabbed the lines, tied them instinctively to the pontoon perfectly to secure the boat safely. The pontoon was about 32ft and our boat is 45ft, so securing the boat takes a bit of experience, but there was no drama and the whole process took around 30 seconds or so. i thanked him and he went back to his boat as if nothing had happened.

If anyone thinks i handled the situation badly please do not hesitate to tell me, as I am not too sure what else I could have done as events unfolded. What do you do if you detect that the person helping is starting to make things difficult for you? Fortunately in our experience this episode was unusual and for 99% of the time we really welcome assistance and always offer help to others. Having said that I make a point of not tying off a line to a cleat unless it's berthed and obviously safe and sound. I regard the person on the helm as the boss and will always listen and follow any instructions from him/her.
 

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I sympathise - it's difficult to give "orders" to someone who is trying to help, particularly when it's a fast moving situation and you just need someone to get the *(&$£$£ line on!

In Dartmouth this summer we had a nice ferry glide into a tightish spot between two rafts. The priority was to get a line attached uptide as it was running strongly. My wife accordingly handed the bow line to a lady on the larger next door boat and I said 'could you take that forward please'. She (the other lady that is) ignored me completely and took it back to put on their midships cleat.. I thought it best just to change plan rather than try to get her to do what I wanted. I've had similar experiences (e.g. very clear directions to hold a spring fast on a cleat until told to release being completely ignored..)

Perhaps I'm not naturally assertive enough, but I've often found the helper has their own ideas on how things should be working and will carry out that plan regardless of your own intentions or indeed instructions!

It seems a bit rude for a helper to actually try to take charge, unless it's suggested input is wanted.
 

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Me and my wife are always grateful for help offered but politely decline it unless absolutely needed, which is rare. We adopted this policy after a deep gelcoat scrape caused by overenthusiastic helpers. My wife has even had someone try to grab the rope out of her hand. I don't think he'll try that again.
 

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On shore helpers are always a bit tricky. We have all been there. I tell my crew to ignore help by pretending not to hear, and do the job themselves. My experience is that sailing with your partner invariably means you will be in the wrong at some time so you have to be very very patient. ;)
 

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I sympathise - it's difficult to give "orders" to someone who is trying to help, particularly when it's a fast moving situation and you just need someone to get the *(&$£$£ line on!

In Dartmouth this summer we had a nice ferry glide into a tightish spot between two rafts. The priority was to get a line attached uptide as it was running strongly........


Ahh, was this Noss Marina per chance? If so, you were lucky to have entered with the tide on your nose as they would still have wanted you facing upstream when berthing on the flood!!

Also because the boats are fairly tight fore and aft, the biggest worry there and in similar Dartmouth Marinas is clanging the boat in front or behind. Which is why they generally attach the springs first and in this case the lady might have expected you to keep motoring gently forward against the tide while you attached your other spring, then the bow and stern lines.

Come to think of it, the locals in Dartmouth - including their beautifully helmed Lower Ferry - seem to be world experts in maneuvering through fast flowing water (y):)
 

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I was one of two potential helpers standing on a Greek quay as a yacht approached. The other chap was in front of me and was staggering drunk. I wondered how to indicate to the crew that he might well be a hindrance...
 

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Ahh, was this Noss Marina per chance? If so, you were lucky to have entered with the tide on your nose as they would still have wanted you facing upstream when berthing on the flood!!
No, just one of the pontoons downstream of the upper ferry. It was hardly a big incident, just my most recent experience of a helper not doing what they were asked/told!
 

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Yes a polite 'we're fine' usually works to scatter the helpful. 95% of them lean/bend your stanchions, cleat ropes off you don't want, the bow line for example when you've still got some way on. Just sod off!

What really, really winds my girlfriend up is when we are on her boat a) people assume it's my boat, and b) they also assume I know what I'm up to and she doesn't.

She almost flattened a rather too enthusiastic linesman/instructor/font of knowledge chap in Benfleet a couple of years ago after he called her 'love' and started explaining what springs are!

I can see the rage the building...quite scary!
 

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I was once reversing towards a town quay with lazy lines when I chap walking past picked up the lazy line so he could hand it to my wife on the stern rather than her using the boat hook. Unfortunately, the line went at a bit of an angle under the hull, which is not unusual with cats, so one has to pull up the line over to the side. This chap decided to pull it up across the hull and it went straight into the prop, wrapped around and stopped that engine.

At least we were now firmly secured to the quay, although not quite in the approved manner. :(

Richard
 

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What really, really winds my girlfriend up is when we are on her boat a) people assume it's my boat, and b) they also assume I know what I'm up to and she doesn't.

She almost flattened a rather too enthusiastic linesman/instructor/font of knowledge chap in Benfleet a couple of years ago after he called her 'love' and started explaining what springs are!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall there..
 

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Ah yes, coming into the lock at Chatham, wind from astern, so the plan (discussed with crew) was to come gently alongside, secure the stern line first, then worry about the pointy end. Half way in (long before any stern line attached), onlooker shouts to my wife on the bow, "throw us your line love". So she did. And he pulled it. Result - boat sideways across the lock. Lesson learned - just because some random stranger tells you to throw a line doesn't mean you should!

Usually I find that if I'm gliding gently into an easy berth, there will be helpers galore (and usually helpful ones!). But if I'm struggling single-handed into an upwind berth on a high-windage boat with poor steering, everyone watches from their cockpits
 

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I have been caught out a couple of times this year when reversing into a berth the “helper’ hasn’t secured the line or taken a full turn onto the cleat so I have been unable to motor against it to hold the boat onto the pontoon. I now lasso the cleat - luckily I haven’t missed yet.
 
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