Paul and rachel chandler- a solution?

deuc02 said:
And I can't believe there are so many idiots such as your good self. That's an incredibly narrow minded view you are exhibiting. I think that the time to use a statement such as "If the Chandlers are in such a dire situation" came and went a long time ago.
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If you are so concerned lets see you stump up a considerable sum to help out . No, thought you wouldn't .
What a complete arse you are .
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Are they in "dire straights"?? if so your"positive" source please ,and don't say cos the baddies say they are . As someone has already stated they could be put up in a hotel watching "sky". We dont know what the situation is but it appears that if they are in extreme danger of being killed the family dont seem to be doing much to save them ....... Do they ?
 
TradewindSailor said:
This is an appalling situation, but you MUST NOT pay them off. If you do you have no right to be appalled by the actions that you are encouraging!!!!

It's rather like the people who complain about the corruption of the police force in Mexico, but are only too happy to give them a back hander when it suites them.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia. Baksheesh is the 'acceptable' way of lubricating the cogs. It is very difficult to stop once it gets started.

The only way to deal with this is to let the 'pirates' know in no uncertain terms that if anything bad happens to the hostages that the West will make it so uncomfortable for the Samalis that the 'pirates' will loose support at home. You can only do this by supporting and coercing the Samali Government to go for the 'pirates' on their home turf.
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Excuse me, FYI I wouldn't give them a penny, let alone a hundred grand, I was just letting the OP know that it had been discussed before and what I wrote expressed no opinion about paying money to pirates so I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that I was encouraging anyone to pay!
 
kristifercolumnbus said:
Dos'nt seem stupid to me,if they could'nt get to grips with him
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Sorry, Kris, if my response to your puzzling as to why the "authorities" haven't got Mark Thatcher was a bit obtuse. The point I was alluding to is that certain individuals, who are deep in "the system" are fairly immune from prosecution for reasons of influence, connections and knowledge of others wrongdoings. Those who run our country have little interest in getting Mark T hence the legislation I referred to has not been used against him.
Any combination of these three legislations could be used, however, to block any attempt to pay a ransom for the Chandlers by a well meaning individual.
 
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TheCrimsonVicar said:
Sorry, Kris, if my response to your puzzling as to why the "authorities" haven't got Mark Thatcher was a bit obtuse. The point I was alluding to is that certain individuals, who are deep in "the system" are fairly immune from prosecution for reasons of influence, connections and knowledge of others wrongdoings. Those who run our country have little interest in getting Mark T hence the legislation I referred to has not been used against him.
Any combination of these three legislations could be used, however, to block any attempt to pay a ransom for the Chandlers by a well meaning individual.
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Why would HM Government want to block a private/publicly funded attempt to save the chandlers is what I was getting at bish.They have stated quite clearly that they will not pay ransoms so what other alternative is there?
The time is running out & if I were in the Chandlers relatives position I would be looking at a mercenary type operation where a number of armed men where prepared to negotiate & hand over 100K & no messin about......100k must be a fortune in Somalia & I would have thought that a deal could be done on that basis.
 
kristifercolumnbus said:
Why would HM Government want to block a private/publicly funded attempt to save the chandlers is what I was getting at bish.They have stated quite clearly that they will not pay ransoms so what other alternative is there?
The time is running out & if I were in the Chandlers relatives position I would be looking at a mercenary type operation where a number of armed men where prepared to negotiate & hand over 100K & no messin about......100k must be a fortune in Somalia & I would have thought that a deal could be done on that basis.
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Someone on the BBC News stated unequivocally last night that HM Government would not make any attempt to block a private ransom payment as it was none of their business. There was no mention of the possibility of invoking any of the pieces of legislation mentioned above. The idea that it failed because a government agency was required to deliver the ransom seems more plausible.

I'm sure the Chandlers' relatives have looked into all the options - although simply hiring a mercenary to deliver a ransom is probably not as easy as people like to imagine. Do the pirates not have offsore bank accounts?

- W
 
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webcraft said:
Someone on the BBC News stated unequivocally last night that HM Government would not make any attempt to block a private ransom payment as it was none of their business. There was no mention of the possibility of invoking any of the pieces of legislation mentioned above. The idea that it failed because a government agency was required to deliver the ransom seems more plausible.

I'm sure the Chandlers' relatives have looked into all the options - although simply hiring a mercenary to deliver a ransom is probably not as easy as people like to imagine. Do the pirates not have offsore bank accounts?

- W
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it would be hard to find which pirates to deliver to. if you said we want to deliver 100k they will all say deliver it to us !
 
webcraft said:
Someone on the BBC News stated unequivocally last night that HM Government would not make any attempt to block a private ransom payment as it was none of their business. There was no mention of the possibility of invoking any of the pieces of legislation mentioned above. The idea that it failed because a government agency was required to deliver the ransom seems more plausible.

I'm sure the Chandlers' relatives have looked into all the options - although simply hiring a mercenary to deliver a ransom is probably not as easy as people like to imagine. Do the pirates not have offsore bank accounts?

- W
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I'm sure it would be tricky but when 'they' next phone I can't see why you should'nt say deliver the chandlers to location x & if they are in perfect condition we will give you the money paid by whatever means.....At the moment they stand to gain nothing.....obviously it would be down to the strenght of the negotiators.All I would say is that based on the news reports I have heard recently if nobody does something I would'nt give them much chance of being alive next week.
 
webcraft said:
Someone on the BBC News stated unequivocally last night that HM Government would not make any attempt to block a private ransom payment as it was none of their business. There was no mention of the possibility of invoking any of the pieces of legislation mentioned above. - W
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Assuming you posted this because you are in the habit of taking what the BBC says as undoubtedly true, and not influenced by its masters, then I issue a little challenge to you, Mr Webcraft, sir.

Why don't you very publicly announce that you are appealing for donations to raise the necessary funds to pay the ransom and when you have the necessary monies you intend to travel to Nairobi where you can arrange handover?

How long before you receive a couple of very persuasive, besuited visitors quoting those three pieces of legislation?

UK policy is to never pay ransoms.
 
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I vaguely remember reading a while back about a ransom payment plan that didnt go quite to plan - it was a ransom for a ship, and the holders of the ransom money apparently paid it to the 'wrong' black suited pirate gentleman in dark sunglasses instead of the 'proper' pirates....... I dont know how that one got resolved in the end.

Has anybody read any of the stories or books by Cap'n Fatty Goodlander? He has made a comfortable living for the past 25 years or so sailing around the world and telling tall stories about his adventures. And he writes very well.

His latest 'adventure' is sailing through pirate territory - he seems to openly acknowledge all the risks on his Facebook homepage here at http://www.facebook.com/capnfatty?v=feed&story_fbid=262942562819&ref=nf and mentions in his last few posts :

"Sailing on Saturday towards Oman from Maldives-no position reports until Aden"
"Sailing towards Oman tomorrow, Saturday, Jan 23. No radar reflector nor running lights. No accurate position reports at shiptrak. Stealth mode. Shhh...!"

And his latest :
"Day1. Perfect sailing conditions. 1,250 nm to go. It is wonderful to be heading towards new adventure. Wild Card hums with joy!"

I hope that he manages to elude the pirates.

And I hope that the Chandlers will be released unharmed - they have had so much physical and psychological trauma already at the hands of these pirates.
 
TheCrimsonVicar said:
Assuming you posted this because you are in the habit of taking what the BBC says as undoubtedly true, and not influenced by its masters, then I issue a little challenge to you, Mr Webcraft, sir.

Why don't you very publicly announce that you are appealing for donations to raise the necessary funds to pay the ransom and when you have the necessary monies you intend to travel to Nairobi where you can arrange handover?

How long before you receive a couple of very persuasive, besuited visitors quoting those three pieces of legislation?

UK policy is to never pay ransoms.
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If I decided to unilaterally give £100,000 to the kidnappers (or their representatives) and undertook to deliver the money myself through legitimate channels then I am 100% certain that the government or its agents would not intervene. The government couldn't care less what happens so long as they have not been seen to pay a ransom or assist in the payment of a ransom. I think you have been watching too many 'action' movies.

Re. the pirates' bank accounts - actually I think most of them are in Dubai.

- W
 
webcraft said:
If I decided to unilaterally give £100,000 to the kidnappers (or their representatives) and undertook to deliver the money myself through legitimate channels then I am 100% certain that the government or its agents would not intervene. The government couldn't care less what happens so long as they have not been seen to pay a ransom or assist in the payment of a ransom. I think you have been watching too many 'action' movies.

Re. the pirates' bank accounts - actually I think most of them are in Dubai.

- W
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Webby - are you sure you could deliver the money through legitimate channels?

if you decide to do it, and want the moment recorded, I can put you in touch with a trustworthy documentary producer and cameraman. They are independent, but have produced for the BBC and others. They are accustomed to scenes of dead or dying people, so you'd have nothing to worry about in that respect.

Good luck!
 
Boreades said:
Webby - are you sure you could deliver the money through legitimate channels?

if you decide to do it, and want the moment recorded, I can put you in touch with a trustworthy documentary producer and cameraman. They are independent, but have produced for the BBC and others. They are accustomed to scenes of dead or dying people, so you'd have nothing to worry about in that respect.

Good luck!
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erm . . . I was of course speaking hypothetically, so if you could all please stop sending me money . . . I will spend the few thousand I have received already on a research mission to a beach resort in the Seychelles . . .

- W
 
If I was a Somali Pirate I would give the Chandlers to another group.

Therefore I could keep my squeaky clean record that others here are so proud of :rolleyes: and also the RN could carry on claiming that selling the Chandlers down the river turned out well..........

Lets just hope the Chandlers aren't next held by "Muslims4Somalia.jihad" :eek:
 
djbreeze said:
Excuse me, FYI I wouldn't give them a penny, let alone a hundred grand, I was just letting the OP know that it had been discussed before and what I wrote expressed no opinion about paying money to pirates so I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that I was encouraging anyone to pay!
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....eh em ..... sorry. Of course I was intending to reply to the original thread not your response.
 
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