Passage Planning

The beginning and the end ie pilotage out of where I am and into where we are going with a back up plan for the latter should the bit in the middle not go according to plan. And I always plan waypoints and enter them prior to setting off even if they are not actually in the route used eg waypoints off headlands/rocks that aren't directly on the route but may become vital if there is a problem so we can quickly check how far off them we are.
 
More importantly - when do the pubs close! Most vital time of all for aleing & sailing planning. :encouragement:
Agreed.
I have been following the posts, and although I agree that a certain amount of planning, information exchange with crew,
Careful watch on the weather, and sensible decision making based on that information..
Well maintained, vessel, equipment,and safety gear.
I do hope that we hav nt lost the sense of exitement, and the venture into the unknown that we feel when we throw those ropes onto the pontoon.
I helped a friend move his boat yesterday. Planned..
I took him to another marina where he picked up his boat, and escorted him the 3 nm to his new berth at yet another marina before a planned return to my marina.
I did nt return to my berth, I went to Herm for an hour.. Completely unplanned..
That s twice this year I have used my boat already..
Sometimes you just have to grab the moment.
Ok and make sure of the closing times...
Bon Voyage !!!
 
I do hope that we hav nt lost the sense of exitement, and the venture into the unknown that we feel when we throw those ropes onto the pontoon.
Yes, to my mind that's what it's all about.
Now that I'm free from the work drudge I can take extended cruises, so each year is now a new challenge and I can head to unexplored areas :)
 
I think I’ve said this before.

Passage planning for me often involves little more than sticking my head out of the hatch liking my finger and picking a down wind destination with suitable establishment for a nice pint.
I may even consider alternative establishments to visit instead.

I like to sail with a casual and relaxed itinerary.

On the occasions I venture out from familiar territory I get a bit more formal.

Recently I had a embarrassing reminder I should be a bit more serious about such things.

I was bringing my boat back home and instead of buying all the required charts and pilot books and tide tables before I set of. I thought I would just pick them up fresh new and up to date from a local supplier.
Who turned out to be out of stock of much of what I need. Bummer. Whole day wasted driving all over the place trying to get them.
Never did find the pilot book. Got p’d off left anyway.
Sails up heading down river.

Sailed under the I5 bridge No problem,
Umm I think that looks like a rail Bridge? I wonder how high it is?
Perhaps I will check the chart.
39ft? Dam it.
Oh well at least I didn’t try and sail under it.

No pilot book or cruising guide how the hell am I going to figure out how contact the bridge operator?

Answer.
Proceed to nearest marina pub by a pint and despite the embarrassment ask for directions?

Channel 13 should you ever need to know.

Any how sailing, down wind, down river, towards a 39ft high rail bridge with a 50ft mast could have been avoided with just a little bit of planning.:o
 
Under SOLAS V, there is a legal requirement upon anyone gaping to sea to have a passage plan. The formal wording is that a voyage should be "planned ..... taking into account all known navigational hazards and adverse weather conditions".

That sounds frighteningly formal. However, the MCA recognises that the degree of voyage planning may sensibly be less for small vessels and pleasure craft. There is still a need for prior planning but the plan need not be written down. They say that the following actions and considerations should be taken into account when planning a boating trip:

• The weather forecast and regular updates.

• Tidal predictions.

• Suitability of the boat, equipment and provisioning.

• Awareness of navigational dangers.

• Contingency planning.

• Ability to navigate without GPS, should it fail.

• Ensure someone ashore knows your plans – eg a friend, relative or the CG – CG 66.

It goes without saying that the effort put into all this should be proportional to length of passage, experience of skipper and crew, size of vessel, expected weather etc.

TheRYA says much the same at http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/safetyinfo/Pages/Haveaplan.aspx

Most of the posts above seem to conform with the spirit of the MCA interpretation of SOLAS V. Basically it is all about commonsense. Unfortunately there are always some idiots lacking in that as we see from time to time..
 
Frank is absolutely right.
All the above. Plus ..
Good seamanship and common sense...
I am lucky in that I have over 50 yrs of experience, and that is something that cannot be taught..
It amazes me sometimes what people think they can do..
 
It does depend on the type of cruising that you are doing. We look at GRIBs on a rolling 8 day basis. Consistency in successive forecasts is a good indication that the models are on the right lines. Inconsistency is a good indication of uncertainty. There are occasions when the weather is less predictable than normal.

As an addition to the Met Office inshore and offshore forecasts, I use PassageWeather for the medium-term pattern up to seven days ahead: http://passageweather.com (then click through to English Channel or your chosen cruising area).

In addition to weather and wind, it covers wave height and barometric pressure for each forecast time.

I'm sure there are other GRIB resources, but this website - alongside Met Office - gives me a sufficient picture without overloading the information - which would be more than my shrinking brain can cope with.
 
As an addition to the Met Office inshore and offshore forecasts, I use PassageWeather for the medium-term pattern up to seven days ahead: http://passageweather.com (then click through to English Channel or your chosen cruising area).

In addition to weather and wind, it covers wave height and barometric pressure for each forecast time.

I'm sure there are other GRIB resources, but this website - alongside Met Office - gives me a sufficient picture without overloading the information - which would be more than my shrinking brain can cope with.


Nothing wrong with Passageweather. Other services, eg zyGrib and several apps have the same data. My only real problem with the various browser GRIBs is that you can only save by taking selective screenshots. With zyGrib etc, all the data (3-hourly to 8 days, if you wish) are saved for viewing when offline and for later comparison with later forecasts
 
How much in the way of Passage Planning do you do?
I do not do that much!
It goes something like this:
Distance to Destination - so I have an idea of how long it will take.
Current directions - so I can get max assistance.
Tide times and heights - so I have enough water to leave / arrive.
Tide gates - if any.
Weather Forecast

Navigation and WP's are done on the fly popped into the chart plotter as and when required.

Taking Fuel, Water and Provisions as read, what else do you preplan?

Adequate fuel both diesel and beer and checking that we have fresh lemons and ice for the arrival g&t
 
"The need for voyage and passage planning applies to all vessels."

"Passage planning or voyage planning is a procedure to develop a complete description of a vessel's voyage from start to finish. The plan includes leaving the dock and harbor area, the en route portion of a voyage, approaching the destination, and mooring, the industry term for this is 'berth to berth'. According to international law, a vessel's captain is legally responsible for passage planning."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passage_planning

The detailed voyage or passage plan should include the following factors:
.1 the plotting of the intended route or track of the voyage or passage on appropriate
scale charts: the true direction of the planned route or track should be indicated, as
well as all areas of danger, existing ships' routeing and reporting systems, vessel
traffic services, and any areas where marine environmental protection considerations
apply;
.2 the main elements to ensure safety of life at sea, safety and efficiency of navigation,
and protection of the marine environment during the intended voyage or passage;
such elements should include, but not be limited to:
.1 safe speed, having regard to the proximity of navigational hazards along the
intended route or track, the manoeuvring characteristics of the vessel and its
draught in relation to the available water depth;A 2/Res.893 - -
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.2 necessary speed alterations en route, e.g., where there may be limitations
because of night passage, tidal restrictions, or allowance for the increase of
draught due to squat and heel effect when turning;
.3 minimum clearance required under the keel in critical areas with restricted
water depth;
.4 positions where a change in machinery status is required;
.5 course alteration points, taking into account the vessel's turning circle at the
planned speed and any expected effect of tidal streams and currents;
.6 the method and frequency of position fixing, including primary and secondary
options, and the indication of areas where accuracy of position fixing is
critical and where maximum reliability must be obtained;
.7 use of ships' routeing and reporting systems and vessel traffic services;
.8 considerations relating to the protection of the marine environment; and
.9 contingency plans for alternative action to place the vessel in deep water or
proceed to a port of refuge or safe anchorage in the event of any emergency
necessitating abandonment of the plan, taking into account existing
shore-based emergency response arrangements and equipment and the nature
of the cargo and of the emergency itself.
3.3 The details of the voyage or passage plan should be clearly marked and recorded, as
appropriate, on charts and in a voyage plan notebook or computer disk.
3.4 Each voyage or passage plan as well as the details of the plan, should be approved by the
ships' master prior to the commencement of the voyage or passage.

http://www.imo.org/blast/blastDataHelper.asp?data_id=24282&filename=893(21).PDF


OF course I do this every time :confused:

Another good reason why I very rarely even bother to look at Wiki...
 
I have been boating about in muck for nerly fourty years so I think I know a little bit... And I really do mean a little..

It depends on what and where?,
A stroll across the Thames and the Dvcer straights or along the S coast to solent (in fog), No problem, been there hit the mudbank dodged the ships. I know when to leave regarding tide state as it is my home turf.

Across the Bay of Biscay or West Chanel... slightly different.

Either way, it starts with weather, then we look at the weather, after that we check the weather, then we decide whether we fancy going.
 
Another good reason why I very rarely even bother to look at Wiki...
Seems to be fairly well researched, references are..



Nothing to do with us small boat lot though.

 
How much in the way of Passage Planning do you do?
I do not do that much!
It goes something like this:
Distance to Destination - so I have an idea of how long it will take.
Current directions - so I can get max assistance.
Tide times and heights - so I have enough water to leave / arrive.
Tide gates - if any.
Weather Forecast

Navigation and WP's are done on the fly popped into the chart plotter as and when required.

Taking Fuel, Water and Provisions as read, what else do you preplan?

As a professional sailor I consider passage planning to be essential. Whether formalised and written down, or just considered in our heads, it is clear that we all do it to one degree or another...

Aside from the legal aspect I think a good passage plan can also help with crew morale (it shows that the route has been considered and clearly lays out useful and relevant information - keeping everyone in the loop). It certainly helps if the authorities come on board, it helps you to get maximum benefit from tide and weather and in the event of something going wrong or conditions changing it helps the Skipper to quickly consider alternative options.

If anyone is interested in seeing (or using) the proforma I use then please follow this link:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45798489/Passage Plan Pro Forma.pdf

Pete
 
How many round here leave catigorized waters... ;) ;)

Sorry. A revised version is as follows

"Going to sea” is defined as proceeding outside of 'categorized waters' (most of the Solent area counts as categorised waters, as do many estuaries). I guess that many of us rarely sail in the Solent. Surely even Solent sailors go beyond the Needles from time to time.
 
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Unless only day sailing, when I would just check the weather and tides, I do like to put something on a chart, work out departure/arrival times, and probable ETAs at intermediate points. Most of our sailing on the East Coast tends to be in line with tidal streams - preferably with - but for any obvious cross tide leg I will work out an approximate CTS in advance not just use the plotter to give me a heading.

I have a file of local chartlets and marina plans etc. and would make sure I have the appropriate ones ready for the passage.

I also would note important VHF Channels, especially in the Thames.

Not comprehensive, but a minimum for us.
 
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