Part 1 Registration

[martinwoolwich]

I am interested in getting Part 1 registration for my boat.

Two questions.

Am I right in thinking that the boat name has to be unique (although an END GAME 2 is deemed unique from END GAME and if this is true, is there anywhere I can go online to see if the name has already been taken?



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[Nick2]

Martin

My understanding is that you can nolonger have End Game 2 if End Game is taken by someone else although I believe that you could have End Game of Hamble for instance. When we renamed our boat we had to propose up to three differant names in order of choice and were pleasantly suprised to find our name of choice was available.

Nick

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[Chris_B4]

Nick

Am considering same, save me a job and tell me how much it cost and what you had to do. Did I read something about a survey being required ?

Ta

Chris

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[Nick2]

Chris

We only applied to change name and owner and I think it cost us around £100.

I have just looked up costs as quoted in Motor Boat Special Yearbook Edition as follows:

Part 1 Initial fee £115 for 5 years. Renewal fee:£46 every 5 years. Registration of Mortgage: £92. Transfer of ownership: £69, including 5 year renewel.

Tonnage measurement: surveys will cost between £130 and £200.

Telephone number for Registry of Shipping and Seamen 02920 747333

Hope this helps

Nick

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[byron]

You can have the name of another boat but you will have to have to port of registration different. i.e. You cannot be Martin registered in Cardiff if there's one there. You could however be Martin registered in Newcastle. OR SO I BELIEVE.

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[Observer]

Chris,

PART I REGISTRATION

Start off by downloading forms from http://www.mcga.gov.uk/flag/needtoknow/regforms/ and on this page you will also find MSF1222 list of fees. Part I registration is £115.

You have to show an unbroken chain of title by way of original builder's certficate and original bills of sale covering last 5 years. Send these with the application. You alo have to arrange and pay for the tonnage survey. RYA or YBDSA will refer you to a local surveyor. Tonnage survey report will be sent by surveyor direct to RSS. Survey fee is £140-£175 depending on size of boat.

If you have done all this right, RSS will send you a Carving and Marking Note. This gives you the registered number (official number) and the registered tonnage. These have to be engraved on the ship or on a 'tonnage board' which is fixed to the ship. Nauticalia will do one by mail order for about £30.

You then have to fix the tonnage board on the boat with rivets, security screws or bolts with ends clenched, signwrite the name on the boat in regulation size letters and sign and return the C&M Note to confirm this has been done.

Then you get your registration certificate.

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[Observer]

Have to correct you. The name must be unique so you cannot have a "Martin" registered in Cardiff and a "Martin" registered in Newcastle. You could have "Martin of Cardiff" registered in Cardiff (or Newcastle) and "Martin of Newcastle" registered in Newcastle (or Cardiff).

I have had slightly different answers from RSS on whether you could have "Martin II" if "Martin" is already taken. On one occasion I was told that numeral suffixes are reserved to the registered owner of the first registered ship regardless of port of registry. On another occasion, I was told that one could have "Martin II" registered in Cardiff if "Martin" is registered in Newcastle (or somewhere other than Cardiff).

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[Piers]

Hi Martin - when I wanted to register my boat name, they wouldn't tell me if it was already taken. Said I had to complete the form and send in the cheque. They would wait for it to clear, then check and advise. If it was taken and I didn't list an alternative, they would refund me.

The cycle would then have to start again if I wanted to try an alternative name....seems like a great way to waste huge amounts of time and effort....maybe that's why fees are so high!

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[qsiv]

...which was where the old Lloyds Register was so useful...

Does anyone know how easy a tonnage survey is to organise on a new boat in the USA? I am keen to register before shipping, as I am keen to use the boat in the US first, but want the boat treated as British rather than US...

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[byron]

<font color=blue>I shall go and stand in a corner duly chastised /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[MedDreamer]

You may have just caught them on a bad day Piers. When I rang them in Cardiff they were most helpful and confirmed that my name choice was available immediately.

Sorry about insulting you by mistaking your boat for a Gr**d B**ks

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[Guest]

I may be wrong, but I believe that a tonnage survey is only necessary if one has not been carried out on a similar vessel before, i.e. if it's a standard production boat in that you are likely to find already in the UK, then you only need to find another Part 1 registered one and get the tonnage figure from them. The requirement for survey really relates to commercial shipping, which tends to be built as one-offs.

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[Observer]

Tonnage surveys can be carried out by any of the leading classification societies. The US one is ABS (American Bureau of Shipping) who will have a London office, which would be your starting point. But - it's likely to be a lot more expensive than a UK surveyor who usually works to YBDSA fee scales (£130-£175). We paid about £850 (from memory) for tonnage survey by Bureau Veritas for a survey in Italy last year of a 76' boat compared to £175 for a survey in the UK of a 74' boat.

If your survey has to be done in the US, it's probably better to try ABS rather than say Lloyds because ABS will have more offices spread around the US so more surveyors, lower travel costs etc.

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[Observer]

I'll be along with the whip later, you naughty boy.

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[Observer]

A correction on my posting above above. Having gathered my memories, I believe RSS will refuse "Martin of Cardiff" if "Martin" is registered in Cardiff but "Martin of Newcastle" would be OK.

Also, on the numeral suffixes, I think that "Martin II" or "Martin 2" would not be accepted, regardless of port of registry, if there is a ship "Martin" but "Martin Two" or "Martin Too" would be accepted.

They have tightened up in the last year or so.

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[qsiv]

Ah - the problem there is that this in UK terms a one off race boat, being built in America. I will have one race series in America before bringing the boat back to Europe. I think I need to speak to the local Registrar of Shipping, and find out just how to go about this - I can see it getting complicated before too long.

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[Alistairr]

The bank has just registered my new boat part1, it cost me £495 which includes ;
= registry of boat, name and port,
= registry of mortgage,
= and tonnage survey.
You have to pick 3 names, which are not allowed to include numbers e.g Martin 1 is not allowed, UNLESS you already had a boat registered by you called Martin.
However you can choose something like Martin A.
You also need to choose a port, so as said above you can register foe example ; Martin of Glasgow.

When i registered i picked;
= Indiana,
= Indian a,
= Indiana of Glasgow,

I got a call last week to say that Indiana of Glasgow was the name that had been accepted.

Cheers...

Alistair..


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[jfm]

cardiff and veritas

We had our production Fairline surveyed for its Part 1 reg and the surveyor came and looked over it, even though it is identical to any other of the same model. It was a very cursory inspection. The tonnage figure given bears no resemblence at all to the boat's displacement, in fact it would sink if it was as heavy as its tonnage!

Bureau Veritas survey is altogether different - their surveys are more thorough and as well as measuring the boat they do a kind of MOT test to see that machinery is installed correctly and functioning I think

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