Paedophiles and marinas

Sandyman said:
OTT? not at all. I now know the person who the OP is referring to and would not want to or let him live in any marina near me. Last I will say on the subject and agree with the OP this thread should now be locked for good reason.
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I don't think you should be dictating who 'lives in a marina near you'.
Was'nt it you that lent your battery to someone who then went off & pinched it? Whatever happened about that?

Seems to me that you want to live in cotton wool.
 
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KristiferColumbus said:
I don't think you should be dictating who 'lives in a marina near you'.
Was'nt it you that lent your battery to someone who then went off & pinched it? Whatever happened about that?

Seems to me that you want to live in cotton wool.
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Ha ha ha ha that's a good one. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you knew me you would realise how wrong you are.
I don't see your connection between someone living in a marina & a stolen battery.
The person who nicked the battery did not live in the marina I was in at the time.
I have every right to decide if I wish to have such people living in my close proximity.
You ask about the battery. Never got it back. Cops said they interviewed the culprit
but all he would say was that he lent his boat to someone called John, but didn't know his surname. Got e-mail from cops saying they were taking no further action.
Lesson learned.
 
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Triassic said:
Having just retired from the police I can assure you the sense of satisfaction you feel after successfully catching and prosecuting any criminal is easily matched by the frustration and disappointment you feel when you see people behaving in the way that is being exhibited by some on here. Mob mentality is one of the worse aspects you will ever see in any society, far worse in my opinion than some of the issues they are claiming to address.
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I lived in the city that saw disturbances on the council estate where there were some dozen peadophiles. Many in the city were appalled at the mob mentality that came to the fore and broadcast on TV nationally. It also became very apparent that the offenders had to be moved for their own safety by the Police, apart from those that had already vanished into thin air, and therein lies the problem. Do you want them on a register and in plain sight or hounded out of their homes and forced to live underground, what is the bigger risk to our children.
 
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fireball said:
To me - the issue of banning adults (I guess they have a couple who are checked) from the changing room is that you're not enabling other adults to observe inappropriate behaviour and it's only during the specific junior week rather than general use - something to do with the RYA school it's run through (I don't get involved!) - To me, that's nuts - cos if you've got a few adults in there then you're likely to spot another acting inappropriately before it affects the child. I suppose the risk is that one adult is left in there with kids ... so banning all of them is the simplest way of removing that risk - but like you ask - what does it say to our children?
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Fully agree with both you and triassic: I was skiing in Austria a few years back and the ski school had to ask UK parents if they were happy to have their children assisted where necessary to answer the call of nature behind a convenient rock. Parents who refused were unfortunately not able to send their kids on the "ultra-tame" off piste days out which included locating Mickey and Mini-Mouse's "secret" play area!

One of the young ski instructors told my wife that another day she grabbed a little six year old girl to put her wind-gaiter back on (it was -22C that day), whereupon the girl in question informed her that her mum would have her fired! Next day the mum went mad and the kid was removed from the course.

I've no answers to these problems, but the current status quo does not even resemble a solution.
 
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chrishscorp said:
I lived in the city that saw disturbances on the council estate where there were some dozen peadophiles. UMany in the city were appalled at the mob mentality that came to the fore and broadcast on TV nationally. It also became very apparent that the offenders had to be moved for their own safety by the Police, apart from those that had already vanished into thin air, and therein lies the problem. Do you want them on a register and in plain sight or hounded out of their homes and forced to live underground, what is the bigger risk to our children.[/QOTE]

A pure coincidence, the thief who nicked my battery lived on the same estate you mention.
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chrishscorp said:
Do you want them on a register and in plain sight or hounded out of their homes and forced to live underground, what is the bigger risk to our children.
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Well - at the moment it's netiher ...

They're on a register and living amongst us - generally unknown - which for the most is fortunate as otherwise quite a lot would be hounded out etc etc ...

Sometimes there are things that the general public are better off not knowing - and I think this is probably one of them - as much as we think we want to know, if we don't then hopefully we can get back to some sort of normality - the alternative is to remove sex offenders from society - but we have no mechanism to do that - nor do we have the morality to do that.
 
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dom said:
Fully agree with both you and triassic: I was skiing in Austria a few years back and the ski school had to ask UK parents if they were happy to have their children assisted where necessary to answer the call of nature behind a convenient rock. Parents who refused were unfortunately not able to send their kids on the "ultra-tame" off piste days out which included locating Mickey and Mini-Mouse's "secret" play area!

One of the young ski instructors told my wife that another day she grabbed a little six year old girl to put her wind-gaiter back on (it was -22C that day), whereupon the girl in question informed her that her mum would have her fired! Next day the mum went mad and the kid was removed from the course.

I've no answers to these problems, but the current status quo does not even resemble a solution.
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depressing isn't it ...
 
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One of the young ski instructors told my wife that another day she grabbed a little six year old girl to put her wind-gaiter back on (it was -22C that day), whereupon the girl in question informed her that her mum would have her fired! Next day the mum went mad and the kid was removed from the course.
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I'm very glad to hear (or to assume) that the organisers of the course stood firm. There are a few children and parents who have the idea that no adult may legally touch a child under any circumstances, which simply isn't true. It's good practice to ask permission if there is time, but it's entirely legal to touch, hold or move a child to prevent harm to that child, or harm to others, or disruption.
 
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JumbleDuck said:
I'm very glad to hear (or to assume) that the organisers of the course stood firm. There are a few children and parents who have the idea that no adult may legally touch a child under any circumstances, which simply isn't true. It's good practice to ask permission if there is time, but it's entirely legal to touch, hold or move a child to prevent harm to that child, or harm to others, or disruption.
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You assume correctly; school said that under Austrian Law they have a duty of care to protect children from harm, which transcends the rights of parents to object, other than by removing the child from the group. Neither will they agree to physical contact being confined to a specified sex.

For example my wife told me (she grew up in the mountains near there) that one day a little English girl (circa six) became so cold and tired she simply could not ski any further, quite common as new muscles groups are being used. It was beginning to snow, the whole group was about 2km from home and there was no ski-doo handy. Solution: said child went under the arm of a burly male ski instructor, was whisked down to the mountain hut below and handed a hot chocolate. You've probably guessed: mum complained about "inappropriate" physical contact and about giving the child a sugary drink without pre-authorisation! The school felt duty bound to call the polizei, whereupon the kid told them she had had a great time and wanted to go fast again. You couldn't make it up!
 
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My wife and I both did a child protection course in order to be allowed to help out with a kids group.

The first words from the instructor were "this course is more about teaching you how to protect yourself than about child protection."

She was right. most of the content concerned how to avoid putting yourself into positions that could be misinterpreted.
 
Triassic said:
Your post implies that you wouldn't tolerate living near a convicted Paedophile and "he wouldn't last five minutes" tends to suggest something unfortunate would happen to him. We live in a civilised society where we entrust the maintenance of law and order to recognised authorities. If they have decided that this individual has answered for whatever he may have done and can be allowed to return to his place in that society who are you, or anyone else, to challenge that decision, especially if it involves any kind of vigilante or "self justice" behaviour.

I don't know the individual that sparked this discussion, nor have we been directed to the press information referred to. All we have been told is that he was convicted of possessing indecent images of children. Lets keep this in perspective shall we?
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++A couple of points occur to me reading this thread: -
1. He may "have only looked at a few indecent images" but without people willing to pay a lot of money for such dvds or whatever, there would be no business model causing people to ensure that such rape and bugery happened; without consumer demand the films would not be made;

2. I think that people who take the law into their own hands are morally on ground every bit as shaky as the abuser or his client; paedophiles have no choice about what they are, merely over their actions; vigilantes, and it is vigilantism which is shyly being suggested here, have choice and choose to put themselves above democratically enacted law and should suffer punishment every bit as harsh as the as the paedophile
 
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In many ways a strange thread on a sailing site.
Yet I find myself attracted like a bug to a light. It strikes to close to home. Saville quite an infamous name now. I just watched the TV and never met him.
Yet it is surprising how many times these people have crossed my path. nothing serious. Just a scary very embarrassing situation when I was to young and naive to realise what was happening. Total stranger. no harm done, I got away.
When I see or read these stories. Something almost forgotten from 45 years ago it comes to mind.
The regret. I never reported it. I could have, If I had he would have been caught, He was not. nobody close to me will ever know. Know body, who knows me will ever know.
He most certainly, did it again to someone. possibly many times.
Almost a decade later. I met someone, she confided in me. Her story, She never reported. I kept her confidence and never reported. Around 20 years later it became headline news. She never reported it even then, Though several of the other girls came forward. One of the participants was convicted and received an unbelievably light sentence. others were never charged. Lack of evidence I guess.
Coincidently I work in public. Playing a part in catching a few has been very satisfying.
 
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