P. Andratx - Petty Bureaucracy - and anchoring!!

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On Saturday we left the marina at P. Andratx in Mallorca to anchor in the outer harbour - bearing in mind that this is a very pretty place with plenty of facilities..

The pilot book says that anchoring here is discouraged by the authorities, and not to anchor in the fairway, but it has been full every night whilst we were in the marina, (3 nights), and every night since, (2 nights), even with a few yachgts anchored in the fairway.

So, we drop the hook well out of the fairway, and it doesnt set, (weed and hard sand - CQR type Hi-Blade), so we try again - sets but we are too near another boat, (so I think - see on). So we try elsewhere ... after 5 trys we get it set with 1800 revs in reverse. We are not in the fairway at any point of our swing, I dive the anchor and it has found a rare non weedy patch of sand and is dug in - Great.... here I am for 2 weeks or so.

At around 6pm, loads of boats come in and anchore closer to us and other boats than I would ever dream, (only done it 4 times so far). The boat in front of us, a bit to port, we could pass a cup of sugar if the wanted some!

Anyway... I decide this must be the norm and, if all swing the same way, and all are dug in, so we get ready to go ashore for tea.

About to step in the tender when the Spanish harbour Police tell us to move 10 metres nearer the shore - I begin an argument along the lines of "why didnt you tell us at 3pm when there was room", and "how are we supposed to do that with all these boats here?"

"I am the Spanish Police and you do what I tell you!" ... no room for further discussion.

He moved one other boat which was a bit nearer the fairway than us, and didnt move two boats which were anchored in the fairway.

Anyway, after another 5 trys of not setting, and dragging up weed, we anchored outside the harbour, and were able to hold 1200 revs in reverse. Weather was fine, so even if not dug in we shouldnt move with 120ft of chain in 30 ft of water.

We didnt move, have been here 2 nights, although I dove the anchor and it's in thick weed and isnt dug in. Moved it so its' point is just in the sand through the weed so if we start to drag it might get a grip.

The point of the post is that P. Andratx is hard sand and thick weed. The Spanish police are petty arbitrary b$$$$ds, and a CQR type will not penetrate weed and hard sand the way I do it.

I'm off to find out how to buy a Rocna, (which I'm not expecting to be easy) - no ifs or buts!

I almost certainly wont be coming to The Balearics in the summer again

I hate the Spanish Police

I will be doing my best to avoid anywhere with weed.

Any observations welcomed


Richard - Blood Angry
 

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Welcome to the madhouse!

Don't worry it does get better. Summer is difficult as it is too busy. Keep off the beaten track and all will be happiness again.

I have a CQR and do get it to set outside the harbour at Andraitx, but close in shore with a lookout on the bow, searching for the sand. Not the easiest anchorage though.

Soller further up is good or you can anchor off the town at Pollenca, free bouys under the old fort as well.

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Later arrivals anchoring too close reminds me of our experience anchored at the head of the bay, off the town quay, in Agathonisi ( Dodecanese, Greece) in October last year.
We were the only boat. We were ashore and saw the other boat arrive and drop the hook well within our swinging circle. I'd better not mention her nationality (an EU country)! We rowed back and I hailed the woman in the cockpit of the new arrival and said, I think in a reasonable tone. that I wondered if they were a bit close. She turned round briefly and shouted in a hardly dulcet tone ''I don't speak English'' and turned away.
I was now able to produce my trump card: Daphne did modern languages at uni and came up on deck from below and addressed the woman in her own tongue. The new arrival opined (in excellent English) that there was no problem as we would swing together, if we disagreed we should be the boat to move. Minutes later both boats swung with different trajectories and almost collided.
Five minutes later they slunk off!
Sorry if this is a bit petty and xenophobic but it did make us smirk! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

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Your learning curve is proceeding admirably Richard.
In fact some skips think Andraxt is not a safe anchorage, boats
have gone on the rocks there.
Buy plenty of fenders and develop a sense of humour a wise sailor once told me.
Better still leave the bloody Balearics and head east. The Adriatic is great, a thousand islands to anchor off.
Launching tomorrow Bora permitting. I think the boss has left an 8mtr path
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I'm off to find out how to buy a Rocna, (which I'm not expecting to be easy) - no ifs or buts!

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Got my Rocna here - http://boydboats.com/boydboats/boydboats_2.html Took a while as ordered it at boat show after YM test so their sales went mad, should be quicker now. Seemed nice company though.
Like you I'm new boy to anchoring, just been up Gaudiana and Rocna seemed fine, reset on every tide. Even in 2kn tide wouldn't drag when weighing anchor 'til chain nearly vertical, though holding seemed pretty good up there in silt, but what do I know? /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Might be saying the same now if i was using cqr so please don't start that again.
Good luck and hope you meet some nice friendly spanish police along the way.
 

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Better still leave the bloody Balearics and head east.

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That's the plan... we're on our way to malta, but had no choice but to call here and stay for a few weeks waiting for the next set of crew.

Turning circles mean nothing here. They drop their anchore at another boats stern, and slide back leaving gaps of about a boats length between themselves and adjacent boats.

I tried again today when it wasnt so busy, but couldnt convince myself to be so close to other boats with 80ft of chain out. There are now 3 boats in a space I didnt consider big enough for me.

I think the best thing I can do is get the hell out of here tomorrow, once Janet has flown home tonight .... the most beautiful place, but not pleasant.
 

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I spent two winters in Porto Colom Richard. You could pause there b4 crossing to Menorca, which doesn't have a lot of anchorages although there is room in Mahon if it's still allowed. Then pick your weather window for the crossing to Sardinia. I used to aim for Alghero and then accept the large anchorage further south if headed.
 

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Thanks for the info.

Managed to get a decent space in the anchorage close to town this morning after several overnighters had left, and the hook has bitten, at least enough for the light winds forecast. I'm next to a very experienced French guy who seems to have taken me under his wing, so I'll stay here until I need to fill up with water and fuel, then I'll head round to Colom and see how the land lies there.

We're not going to Minorca now - the crew have changed their flights to palma, so we'll be heading off from somewhere in Mallorca, probably Colom, with the choice of going North or South around Sardinia to naples.
 

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If you are heading that way Colom is an excellent anchorage.

If you can, try to anchor in one of the gaps in the mooring field on the port side as you enter. (Then you won't have to contend with the muppets who try to anchor on your bathing platform or 2ft from your bow). If not the starboard side of the fairway has good holding and there are good places off the beach opposite the town. Colom is very well protected and also has a good choice of high quality restaurants. There is also a high quality deli/supermarket behind the yacht club on the main quay.
 

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Menorca, which doesn't have a lot of anchorages although there is room in Mahon if it's still allowed

[/ QUOTE ] Plenty of room in Fornells, with excellent shelter, though the bottom is a bit weedy.

Oh, and Richard, you may wish to visit Cabrera if you want a day off from anchoring. It's a lovely site for nature lovers (as appart from nudists) though you need to get permission from Palma before going there. (added)
 

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Glad to hear there's a new marina in Naples.
Last time I was there I stupidly followed St Rod's advice and went to Torre del Greco.
Never again, the place was run by the mafia!!
 

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If you go north round Sardinia you visit the Sardinian anchorages and then cross to Ponza and run down the Italian coast/islands to Ischia and the Bay of Naples.
A great trip. According to my Navtex the west med is all gales at the moment.
Postponed AB's launch here in Monfie due to strong winds, boat is now in the trailer awaiting crane tomorrow morning. Still finding plenty to do in the never ending refit.
 

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If you are heading that way Colom is an excellent anchorage.

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Thanks John & David

Colom is where I'm headed. Anchor dragged last night so I got the hell out of Andratx and headed for Palma. Anchored in the North of the 4 anchorages at Illetas islands. very nice too. Plenty of sand and the anchor dug in admirably.

Had a lovely afternoon waving to people swimming from the beach to the island. All that was missing was trouvilles bread mix from Lidls and his rich red wine. Was planning to dinghy ashore late evening to have a little walk but the wind got up to F4 from the East, (the only place not protected0, so I made the quick decision to whizz round to the Southern anchorage.

Had to drop the hook 5 times. 3 it landed in weed and wouldnt bite, 1 it bit, but I was too close to a boat astern, and 5 it bit well enough to hold 1500 revs in astern.

Was really looking forward to waking up in the other little anchorage - it felt like mine - but it wasnt to be.

Definitely had enough of the CQR.... Called the Spade distributors in Palma, (according to Spades' web site), to see if I could buy one... turns out they haven't been distributors for 2 or 3 years!!! very annoying!! Sent a snotty email to Spade.

Thanks to all for the advice and support

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if you guys need anything in Malta i work at the main yacht yard called Manoel Island Yacht Yard (info@yachtyard-malta.com) which is a seperately owned facility to Manoel island Marina but its situated on the same island. Hope you have a good sail down. Best weather links for this area are www.windfinder.com
 

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Andrew,

I'm sure a lot of people will find it handy to have you around, whether passing through Malta, or staying there for a while.

I try to do most things myself but stuff has to be bought from somewhere, and the odd job isnt DIY.

Cheers

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Hi Richard

We had problems getting the CQR to set at first in some of the Mallorca anchorages. New and so far no fail method is to send it over the side slowly, touch bottom so it lays over slowly, then pay out 5 times scope whilst drifting back, with NO reverse on engine. Then stop for 5 mins or so and clear up the boat. This seems to let it "wiggle" in slowly with the swing of the boat. And only then do we engage reverse and set it at 1800 revs. Have slept soundly so far and have been using a 16kg Brittany off the stern with short chain/rope scope to limit swinging in the narrow calas.

BTW Colom also has an excellent PAYG wifi set up. Good restaurants near the fuel dock are el barco and HPC.

Have a good trip.
 

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We had problems getting the CQR to set at first in some of the Mallorca anchorages. New and so far no fail method

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Does that include weed? I have had absolutely no problem when I've found sand. It's currently in a small patch of sand having dragged through the weeds when setting last night. There is a furrow in about 5 or 6ft of sand before it set and held 1500 revs.

Thanks for the info on Colom. If i decide I cant make it to Alcudia to see martynK and meddreamer, I'll probably head for Colom on Tuesday when the grib says there will be a break from the easterly'ish winds, (although they seemed to be from the south most of today??).

I'm in a lovely set of anchorages at the moment and am reluctant to move. Illetas I think. 4 anchorages with protection from all points... 39 31'46"N 2 34'56"E, so I can nip from one to the other if the wind gets up from the wrong direction.

Where are you? PM if more appropriate.

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If you still need an anchor, try Mercanautic second hand boutique at Avenida Joan Miro in Palma, in walking distance from the Club de Mar. They have lots of anchors at (what I tink) good prices.

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We're heading for Malta too. At the moment we're in a brand new marina in the Bay of Naples called Marina di Stabia www.marinadistabia.it/. Its good and cheap because its so new. In Malta we'll be in Manoel Island marina, might see you there.

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I think the prices have gone up a bit since you were there!!!

Headed straight for Stabia .. plenty of space, and looked nice.

Went to the office, which is in a derelict building, which will presumably be apartments or something one day..... asked for 2 nights, and nearly fell off my chair when he produced an invoice for 180 euros, crossed the 180 out, and wrote 160 ... Electric on top! I dont think it was as cheap as when you were there, (even if we may be a bit bigger at 13.1m).

Very nice facilities, (showers and loos), a golf buggy to give you a lift from pontoon to main entrance...... but no restaurants/shops/whatever, for miles!

Hired a car at 50 euros per day cause I had to get janet from the airport, (and a taxi was 75 euros, and I wasnt risking train or bus in Naples), so we were able to do a bit of running around for supplies, and did Pompeii, including a night out there.

They expect to be able to supply fuel by November, and the whole thing should be finished in 3 years or so - cant imagine what it will cost then.

Cheers

Richard
 
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