Oyster on the up

[Zing]

.... large, inefficiently hand-built floating airport lounges for the rich and tasteless.

So that’s what you think of Oysters and their owners. That comment says a lot about your poor judgement and inverted snobbery. I hope that chip on the shoulder is not keeping you up all night.

 

[JumbleDuck]

So that’s what you think of Oysters and their owners. That comment says a lot about your poor judgement and inverted snobbery. I hope that chip on the shoulder is not keeping you up all night.

No, that's what I think of Princess and Sunseeker. I thought that was clear. Sorry if it wasn't.

 

[Zing]

No, that's what I think of Princess and Sunseeker. I thought that was clear. Sorry if it wasn't.

I see, but you would have been correct in a sense if you had meant that Oysters were inefficiently built, but if you were referring to Princess and Sunseeker then you are wrong. They make their joinery using mass produced modular CNC techniques.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I see, but you would have been correct in a sense if you had meant that Oysters were inefficiently built, but if you were referring to Princess and Sunseeker then you are wrong. They make their joinery using mass produced modular CNC techniques.

Thank you. I was perhaps mislead by pictures of Fairline's building methods, which seem to be very much still in the "bloke with a bucket of resin" era.

 

[Zing]

Thank you. I was perhaps mislead by pictures of Fairline's building methods, which seem to be very much still in the "bloke with a bucket of resin" era.

Fairline, Princess and Sunseeker all produce a quality product with stunning interior design work, regardless of efficiency and it still applies that you are wrong to suggest that any tastelessness is in any way linked to wealth.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Fairline, Princess and Sunseeker all produce a quality product with stunning interior design work, regardless of efficiency and it still applies that you are wrong to suggest that any tastelessness is in any way linked to wealth.

Sorry, I don't agree. Wealthy people have been buying tastless things for hundreds of years - look at the inside of any country house for an example. It's a natural result of wanting things to look expensive rather than nice. At the very best they manage blandness. Look at this horror of a symphony in beige. Airport lounge meets footballer's McMansion.

 

[Zing]

Sorry, I don't agree. Wealthy people have been buying tastless things for hundreds of years - look at the inside of any country house for an example. It's a natural result of wanting things to look expensive rather than nice. At the very best they manage blandness. Look at this horror of a symphony in beige. Airport lounge meets footballer's McMansion.

It's fine. I suggest your taste sensors are failing. Probably hypersensitised to things associated with wealth I suspect. Try a bias diet.

 

[Sandy]

That's like saying we won't be able to buy Beneteau, Bavaria, AMEL etc in the future, and we were never able to by Island Packet or Hunter Marine. It just means Europeans won't pay British VAT on British produced goods, but will be required to pay it on import into their own country. This will constitute a minor inconvenience.

Am I lead to believe you have never worked in manufacturing.

 

[HissyFit]

Not tasteless, just not my taste. I'm not a fan of wood everywhere either, but when done well you can see the skill in the craftsman's art.

 

[HissyFit]

Am I lead to believe you have never worked in manufacturing.

Automotive Design, with a broad spread of customers from Skoda to Aston Martin. My designs have been made in many parts the world, and also made in UK and shipped to many parts of the world, in and out of the EU. I don't see how that is irrelevant though.

 

[Sandy]

Automotive Design, with a broad spread of customers from Skoda to Aston Martin. My designs have been made in many parts the world, and also made in UK and shipped to many parts of the world, in and out of the EU. I don't see how that is irrelevant though.

Then you will be aware of the interesting challenges of different requlations and tax/duty laws to comply with.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

Unkind and unnecessary .

 

[HissyFit]

Then you will be aware of the interesting challenges of different requlations and tax/duty laws to comply with.

I'm sure the management of Oyster are in a better position to assess how this will affect them. If they weren't confident, they wouldn't be taking on 100 new employees.

 

[Frogmogman]

Unkind and unnecessary .

I get that Jumble Duck intended this as an ironic comment; it made me chuckle; I agree, however, that it's not really fair on the current régime at Oyster, who appear to have done the right things to ensure that this sad story remains a one-off.

Polina Star III remains a monument to the hubris and appalling lack of customer service of the previous stewards of the company. Had the concerns about the keel expressed by Polina's owner and skipper been taken seriously by Oyster she might never have lost her keel.

 

[JumbleDuck]

It's fine. I suggest your taste sensors are failing. Probably hypersensitised to things associated with wealth I suspect. Try a bias diet.

I think you have misunderstood me. I didn't say that motor boats are built for those with poor taste; I said that they are build for those without taste. Poor/bad taste is at least a taste and can be fun - Jeff Koons' kitsch, for example. The depressing thing about motor boats is the huge amount of effort which is put in for an utterly bland result.

That Fairline interior says absolutely nothing whatsoever about the personality or interests of the owner. It says absolutely nothing about anything. It's visual elevator music and it costs a million pounds.

 

[Zing]

I think you have misunderstood me. I didn't say that motor boats are built for those with poor taste; I said that they are build for those without taste. Poor/bad taste is at least a taste and can be fun - Jeff Koons' kitsch, for example. The depressing thing about motor boats is the huge amount of effort which is put in for an utterly bland result.

That Fairline interior says absolutely nothing whatsoever about the personality or interests of the owner. It says absolutely nothing about anything. It's visual elevator music and it costs a million pounds.

So why associate being rich with having bad taste? It is inverted snobbery, inverted classism if you like. Here is a stereotypical US working class home (from Roseanne), just to show the less well off are not necessarily the arbiters of matters of good taste.

Give me the Princess Yacht design any day.

 

[JumbleDuck]

So why associate being rich with having bad taste? It is inverted snobbery, inverted classism if you like. Here is a stereotypical US working class home (from Roseanne), just to show the less well off are not necessarily the arbiters of matters of good taste.

How many times do I have to point out that I am talking about lack of taste, not bad taste?

Another factor in the blandness of motor boats may be resale values. Most of their owners - if the forums here are anything to go by - expect to change boat every year or two, and if you're always wondering what will sell on you will inevitably head for the lowest common denominator of design. Hence all the grey blobs on the roads and the persistent smell of magnolia paint in houses for sale.

Here's what you get if you give Princess a squillion pounds

Apart from the view, that festival of grey and beige could be any airport hotel in the world. It's like hiring the Berlin Philharmonic for the evening and asking them to play Mantovani.

 

[Blue Sunray]

How many times do I have to point out that I am talking about lack of taste, not bad taste?

Another factor in the blandness of motor boats may be resale values. Most of their owners - if the forums here are anything to go by - expect to change boat every year or two, and if you're always wondering what will sell on you will inevitably head for the lowest common denominator of design. Hence all the grey blobs on the roads and the persistent smell of magnolia paint in houses for sale.

Here's what you get if you give Princess a squillion pounds

Apart from the view, that festival of grey and beige could be any airport hotel in the world. It's like hiring the Berlin Philharmonic for the evening and asking them to play Mantovani.

I imagine that's a brochure shot of some sort, so very much in the same ilk as Kirsty and Phil advising house vendors to paint their property in neutral colours, not really a reflection of the buyer's taste, more a neutral palette on which they can build.

 

[Zing]

How many times do I have to point out that I am talking about lack of taste, not bad taste?

Another factor in the blandness of motor boats may be resale values. Most of their owners - if the forums here are anything to go by - expect to change boat every year or two, and if you're always wondering what will sell on you will inevitably head for the lowest common denominator of design. Hence all the grey blobs on the roads and the persistent smell of magnolia paint in houses for sale.

Here's what you get if you give Princess a squillion pounds

Apart from the view, that festival of grey and beige could be any airport hotel in the world. It's like hiring the Berlin Philharmonic for the evening and asking them to play Mantovani.

Lack of taste, bad taste, tomatos, tomatas.

You are proposing an unpleasant, classist, inverted snobbish standpoint and you dig and dig your grubby hole.

Your latest example of 'lack of taste' does not show that. Yet again your fail to make your point.

Just face it, you are resentful and have no argument.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I imagine that's a brochure shot of some sort, so very much in the same ilk as Kirsty and Phil advising house vendors to paint their property in neutral colours, not really a reflection of the buyer's taste, more a neutral palette on which they can build.

That's a fair point.