Oyster 62 v Moody 64

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Both there were at the boat show. Questions

1 The oyster is quoted (verbally) at 1.45 million quid without aircon and so on which would take it over £1.5million. Whereas the Moody is under £900k for similar spec. Why on earth the monster difference in price?

2. Both of them seem to have same sort of hull shapes as muc-reviled AWBs, namely voluminous, with a fin keel bolted on. Is this alright after all then?

Any comments?




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Surely this is one of those "if your asking how much it is sir, you can't afford it" questions. Still, I don't understand why people spend 10's of thousands of pounds on a car, unless it is to show other people that they can. Must be the same with yachts of this price and the people who buy them.

Now if I had the money to by either, I'd buy neither and get a smaller yacht and use the rest of the money to have a permanent sabatical. There's a whole world out there...

Jeff

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I was hoping for a bit more technical expertise.

Moneywise, don't worry. Be assured tho that many people DO buy them with their own money, and that chartering hardly recoups the money, just pays for pro crew if that the way you want to do it.





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Re: If you have to ask

Um, what some people se as a "reasonabe and sensible" boat (or car) some other people see as totally over the top. Also,that phrase "if you have to ask, youcan't afford it" is a silly line saying probably dreamed up a while ago by haughty rolls-royce salesmen who drove everyone off to buy better faster and cheaper cars from anywhere else. Think about it - the people with the loot to buy one aren't going to be the sort who lash about loot all over the place, never asking the price of anything, are they? They're more likely (not less) to lookat value for money, aren't they? Otherwise, they'd be skint.

So ,come on, answer the fin keel question - is that a load of pooh? Are other big boats long-keelers?


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Maybe, but I'm not sure. I don't think chartering a yacht like this makes money when compared to chartering something 2/3 the size but only 1/5 the cost. Then there is the additional cost of crewing the boat - you can't just let Joe Bloggs take out £1M worth of boat. I still think that these boats are owned by people at the end of the day, but why they own them only they know the answer (sounds like an advert).

Green with envy,
Jeff.

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Re: If you have to ask

Well, yes, you're right. You don't become rich by wasting money.

As for fin keel - from reading YW over the last few years its does seem this way. Very few companies now produce long keel yachts of any size.

Jeff.

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Re: shark fins

I didn't see the bottom of the Oyster (stupidly forgot to take diving gear that day) but the Moody has a long fin, rather than a stabby, daggerboard affiar with a bulb at the bottom. I'd imagine the Oyster is a bit like that too. So you've got a shape good for cruising but which should be able to go vaguely where you want to in reverse, unlike a full length keel. At the other end of the scale is the bav 49. Now, no-one would pretend its up to the same spec in terms of comforts. But at about 720K less than the Moody and about £1.3M less than the Oyster that should be enough for a decent chippie to make it all nice and comfy. Yes, I know, its a bit shorter too. But I suspect it won't be long coming even if volume production savings might not apply in such a sector.

...think I'd have 5 Bav 49s, all nicely done up in different parts of the world to suit the weather and the mood.

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Re: If you have to ask

I'm pretty sure that it was Cornelius Vanderbilt who, when asked how much a yacht* cost, replied "If you have to ask, you can't afford one!"

* I fancy we are talking clipper bowed steam yacht, with hot and cold running stewards, here!

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Not technical; financial!

I fancy this sort of boat is bought with a weather eye on corporate entertaining, as well as just sailing for fun. This being so, large internal volume and aircon, etc are highly desirable.

But the reason for the fin keel is the same as in smaller boats - a long keel costs ever so much more! There is far more material involved, the boat weighs far more, much bigger gear must be specified (a very big element in the cost, in these sizes) and so on.

These are very big production boats, but still production boats. A long keel would about double the cost of the Oyster, I imagine. At this end of the market, the enthusiast, with money to burn, who wants a long keel, will commission a designer and have a one off built - there are such boats - or he or she will restore an elderly "classic", from the J class, at Pds 10M a shot, on down...

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Chartering

I don't know if they make or lose money when chartered, but whatever, they do it in a more tax efficient way than chummy dipping his hand in his pocket and paying for everything out of taxed income.

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I didn't go on the Oyster but did make an appointment for the Moody 64.
What really surprised me was the main stairs. They were so steep that you were better going down facing the stairs. I imagine that boats like this are probably moored is Cannes or Monte Carlo with hostesses bringing the champagne and caviar from the galley. With those stairs it would be a nightmare.
While on the subject of stairs the boats that have the best are surprisingly the new boats in the Bavaria range! Thes are really good and it is nice to stand on the stairs and look out while very sheltered from the sprayhood. They also lift up on a gas strut to give excellent access to the engine.
Tony

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Good answer.

champagne wise, tho, the moody has a fridgebox in the table. (also, cannes and monte carlo are erm slightly rubbish marinas, best don't go there)

Two people so far reckon to wait for bavaria 60ish.

However, i will nevertheless be ringing the nice ladies at Oyster to book a visit at the boat show. This promises to be quite fun next year, as i will be asking for something bigger than the 62 but the 72 is too beamy, and with any luck they will say "how about a 69?"




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Took a look at the Oyster 53 yesterday- never been on an Oyster before and was expecting it to be the most lavishly appointed floating palace ever. I went below and it was...a boat...like any other boat...with cheapo plastic veneered trim, I also took a look at the Moody 47 and it was better built, with higher quality trim and about as roomy (was surprised that at £300K they wanted an extra £300 for a masthead tricolour tho - in fact I nearly fell over in shock, can understand it on a Bavaria...).

Question...why would anyone buy an Oyster, I was totally underwhelmed.

Guess the 53 costs around £800,000 ?

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thereabouts. didn't look at it.

Zefenders idea of a bavaria 49 and getting Kitchens Direct in with the spare £700k. Or just dump the thing to avoid winter berthing fees and maintenance. Is that what they are doing at anchor I wonder?


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Trintella were nice - until they went bust - and their 65 would have been comfortably more than an equivalent Oyster, I suspect. The last 51 (not mine!) that I heard a price for was £1 million. At least part of the difference can be attributed to displacement the Moody displaces 28 tonnes, the Oyster 34 tonnes, thats about 23% more to start with - then take into account the fact that the Moody is slightly bigger, and what you have is a significantly lighter boat.

Another part of the equation is backup. I cant speak for Moody or Oyster, but as a Trintella owner it was useful and comforting to have the yard available at the end of the phone - You need a new Light switch, spares for the FW pump - They simply looked up the build record, liaised with the supplier (usually Italian or French it seemed), and the spares were delivered within 36 hours, sometimes less. Even a matching piece of leather to retrim after an instrument change was achieved. I rather suspect that Oyster could provide better support than Moody when cruising in the Caribbean. Instasllation quality also matters - the detailing on a Trintella is just exquisite, pipes dont have bends they have precisely angled junctions, the boats manual lists EVERY item, and all electrical systems are itemised and identified at each end of the run.

The real kicker could turn out to be depreciation - purchase price is in one sense irrelevant, rather as it is with a car. What matters is how much the ownership costs, and depreciation is a big part - mind you if you are starting from a low figure you can stand a higher percentage!

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Production volume?

Are Moody praps intending to build a greater quantity and thus the development costs are re-couped less per boat?

Is there mdf used in the construction of the Oyster? Pretty sure you'll find it in the Moody. Be interesting to be able to compare the man hours that go into the construction of each.

How would Moody and Oyster react to a request to customise say the layout of the cabins, my guess is that Oyster would be in a position to accomodate (sorry) more.

Did you ask them why the difference in price? Might seem an obvious way to find out?

Maybe, like Sealine, you could get them both on here? Praps not.

what would each boat look like say in 15 years time, Moody scruffy and smelly inside, Oyster nice and shiney still?

Comparison of depreciation might also be interesting.



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On the subject of big boats, I noticed when going around the show that 64-foot was roughly the maximum length of production boats there. Is this:

(a) If you are going to be spend say 2m plus on a (sail) yacht you would probably want it custom or semi custom made anyway.
(b) Because anything bigger than that is going to have difficulty getting into most marinas.
(c) Anything bigger than this requires crew and/or a professional skippers licence.


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