Oyster 62 v Moody 64

The difference must be in the margin, Oyster want more for the brand and they also have nice friendly "Oyster owners" bashes at celubrious spots around the world. These are fine as long as you can get on with the other owners, or they will put up with you! Have you considered Farr as an alternative?

No doubt there is a reason they both cost so much but I would be interested to learn the price of a similar Beneteau. One thing that this site, and a little bit of ownership has taught me is; that they build tres bon boats for a whole lot less.

Most boats spend most of their lives parked up or sailing in acceptable conditions so a Benny type boat make sense. In the last few years many top boats from Swans all the way down the list have gotten into big trouble at sea so I see the spending of huge amounts of dosh as no gaurantee that the thing won't break up in dreadful conditions.

As peeps on here are always making analagies with the motor industry, it follows that in years to come Bavaria will end up buying Oyster and have them made by shipwrights all wearing striped sweaters, baggy pants and navy type hats (a la Brooklands experience).

Having said all that, there is a nearly new longish Oyster in the back of YW this month, might be worth a bid? That way you can avoid all the luvly sales bods:-))

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Re: reasons for no big boats

I think you are posig a question here (?) and if so the answers are

(a) yes, perhaps, tho at 2m it is stil a bit semi custom. They will change some things, not others.

(b) No, there's loads of spaces and loads of help with big boat.

(c) Anything bigger than this requires crew and/or a professional skippers licence. Nope this is not the reason- your RYA tickets are fine to 24 metres

MUCH more likely is that there are loads of clever saily types who will say nyerr, why not get 9.6 bavarias or 8.5 beneteaus for the same money, eh?


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Re:big moodys/oysters nah

cos I'm not sure they 're actually that good looking or exploit in design terms the kind of things you might be able to do on a bigger boat. Look at those orrible shed windows on an oyster. Both look neither traditional nor modern -bit like a Jenson Interceptor FF. I'd get a copy of Yachting World and look through some of the ads there. I suspect many cost squillions but at least many seem to be seeking to be a bit inventive with the space and equipment

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Souped up Bavs

Reckon you should buy the biggest Bav you can get but tell 'em you just want the hull and seperatel spec each thing .. a bit like a lotus cortina really. You really ought to spec it as a bilge or lift keeler then you can dry out without tipping over ...

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Re:big moodys/oysters nah

just a minute, a moment ago you sed you would get five bavarias! Aside from casting some (well, a lot of) doubt on your possible transat trip, this seems quite sensible. BUT the bav 49 has a worringly non-linear wraparound galley - although i belive it is actually three linear ones bolted together and jointed with mastic in order to preserve the brand values , so probly ok?

Finally you slagged off the Jensen a bit too heartily, when in fact these are rathr fab in a rather stinkpotterish way with unnneccessary and relatively gutless fuel-wasting 7litre engine and masseev back window. Agreed the oyster a bit sheddish - but only a bit.

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If you can afford £1.5million for a boat, would you want to be seen in a Moody or an Oyster?

A £1.5m boat isnt about sailing performance or seaworthyness - you can get equal or better at a lot less. Its about showing you can afford £1.5m. A Moody at £900k shows you cant.

Bit like a Ferrari really - wont get you round the M25 on a Friday night any quicker than a Mundano

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Re Interceptor shed company

about as ground breaking (and reviled) as the AMC Pacer for window design, I'd say. Anorak comment horror.

49 non-linear because even Bavaria don't care very much about exploding sauces and fires with non-linear shape since on a 49 it'd probably be staffish person anyway. Also linear galley would be very long on 49 so would need additional bulkhead to break it up, thus ruining huge and doubtless massively unseamanlike openplan vista.

On subject of 8.5 bavs in different places or one biggie, surprised you haven't realised statistical potential for throwing down 8 sets of keys when at Milton Keynes drinks parties.

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Re: Re Interceptor shed company

Now, lots of people wil red all this thinking that there are lots of cliquey jokes. Whereas in fact I have no idea of the significance of a milton keynes drinks party (not sure i have ever attended one?).



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Hi .The Beneteau 57 is on offer at £400,000 I have placed an order for one to be delivered Sept 2004.Had a good look at the Moody 54 and could not see hell of a big difference .And when I asked why the floor was sloping 4in in a 3 ft section from the bed to the door of the cabin had a snooty reply [ Thats the shape of the bottom of the boat ]The HR of the the same size was £1,000,000. and that was some old fashioned dark depressing boat. cheers bob t

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Re: Re Interceptor shed company

Not ground breaking!?!?! So, being the first production road car with anti-lock brakes (1968! ABS in 1968!) and viscous-coupled four wheel drive isn't good enogh for you? You could reasonably take issue with vignale's penmanship (an aquired taste, granted), or Jensen's quaint attitude toward corrosion protection and lead-loading, but in no way could it be categorised as anything other than revolutionary.

How did this thread get from Oysters to Jensen FFs anyhoo?

Oh yeh, nearly forgot about the engine; 300bhp and 400lb/ft out of 7 litres. Lazy and lightly tuned, yes, gutless, well, not IMO. monstrously dipsomatic though.

cheers,
David

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So many numbers can`t tell one from the other .did not go on the 64.
can`t spell can`t count what the hell! that what my lawyers and accountants do cheers bob t

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Sounds much better VFM. At that price you could have one in the med and one in the carib for the price of the moody and another in the UK for the price of the Oyster.

Where will you be keeping yours?


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Also noticed on Moody 47 that the after cabin had leather and carpet - you're never going to open the hatch, are you ? Nice bit of salty water sloshing all over the upholstery and into the carpet -gonna smell niiice !

Again on the 47 commented to a fried I was with aft cabin ensuite heads had nice holly and teak sole - but sloping, so when you go below in oilies all wet, end up breaking neck going arse over tit in heads.

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Re: INterceptor/bavaria shed company

Well, zefender is slagging off the looks of the interceptor and comparing it to an oyster 62. By contrast, I beleive that the Bavaria 40 has the same attractive appearance of the chateau at Azay-le-Rideau if fitted with aluminium windows frames.

Main thing on the FF was surely first with four-wheel drive? A mate's dad had one of these. Drool.

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I have owned both a Moody and an Oyster and there was the world of difference in the build quality, particularly in the way extras were fitted, and aftersales support. Oysters are essentially built by hand, which is very expensive. As robotics get better, I think this method will come under pressure.

But one measure of the success of the Oyster brand is the number of people who have sold one only to go one to buy another, and in some cases, several more.

As people tend to sail Oysters further, they know quite a lot about what works and what doesn't. This is part of the success of the aftersales service - they get good feedback via that route.

Can't speak for Moody's long term support, but with some Swedish manufacturers the warranty stops dead at one year - after that you are on your own. The downside for the manufacturer is that the flow of information from owner to builder stops at the same time. Oyster are still in touch with owners after 10 years on their second circumnavigation.

Rally Veteran

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I deliver posh push button boats ....

With no offence to Moody, IMO, a Moody 64 doesn't even come near the current generation of Oysters of any size. It's sailability and quality that counts. The current generation of Oysters are in a class of their own making. It's not the build quality but the overall quality of how an Oyster compares to a Moody on the ocean in a gale that counts. An Oyster is easier to sail single handed in a gale than a Folkboat.

Oyster spells quality, quality and then more quality right down to the last detail. Take one out and feel the difference under sail. A Moody is not far behind but on an extended ocean passage an Oyster will show it a clean pair of heels with added crew comfort attached.

Moody's, Swan's, Oyster's Farr's, etc, are top line boats. If you want to compare them to AWB's then think Bavaria or Legend or USA Hunters which seem to have no connection with either the seas or the daft CE ratings. IMO, there is no comparison between a quality boat good for sailing and the AWB that's only fit for G&T's alongside on the permanent marina mooring.
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I've hesitated to post as I'm clearly biased as a (baby!) Oyster owner. When we bought ours it was 12 years old and needed (still does) a fair bit of TLC. I called Oyster with a few queries and they were delighted to hear from us as new owners. They put me in touch with the foreman who built our boat and was able to answer all my detailed questions. We now receive regular copies of their glossy Oyster news and invitations to all events worldwide.

They have been most helpful in all my dealings with them and even helped arrange for a set of plans to be delivered. I guess that the build quality, together with this level of commitment goes a long way in explaining why so many owners only sell their boat to upgrade to a larger Oyster.

When we bought her we were contemplating a new HR36. When we looked at the layout of the aft cabin, we decided that the single berth was a waste of space so enquired whether we could alter the layout. You'd have thought we'd asked for the keel to be removed! Oyster regularly customise their layouts to suit individual needs and this level of service only comes at a price.

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