Owners with their boat on the UK SSR

Bru said:
Standard practice when Beta testing. You want a relatively small group of actual users actually doing what they need to do
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Might be but thats us working for them and not the way round it should be. Anyway, having found that my new to me boat cant just be transferred like the radio licence anhave to pay £35 for nothing at all - I will give the SSR a miss.

Why pay to transfer a boat and not to transfer a car?
 
It seems to be a rule that any websites dealing with marine red tape must be mind-bogglingly crap. After an hour on the Ofcom site recently I was only mildly surprised to be confronted by a Minotaur.
 
Birdseye said:
Might be but thats us working for them and not the way round it should be
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How else do you final beta test?

The whole point is that you need real users makimg real use in real time of the software / web site / etc

Poeple do seem to get rather hung up about SSR registrations and I chuckle mightily when confronted with complaints about the cost. We're boat owners, a fiver doesn't even pay for a gallon of diesel or a tin of varnish these days!
 
billyfish said:
Dont have much luck with anything with .Gov in it . Maybe it's me
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It varies

They have an extremely effective, simple and clear standard framework which is used rolling out across the gov.uk services. It is truly a paragon of web design virtue being clear, simple, and succint

Unfortunately, it is not universal across all services yet and may never fully be so due mostly to issues with legacy systems (DVLA and HMRC posing particular problems in this regard) and to outsourcing although significant strides have been made

Personally I find the gov.uk services to be easy to use and as simple as they could realistically be with the exception of logging into my personal tax account which never, ever, works twice on the trot for me! (I think I must have upset the taxman's computer in a former life, it definitely doesn't like me)
 
R.Ems said:
What if you are one of the millions who can't or won't use the internet?
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Are there really millions of UK resident boat owners who would like to register their boat on SSR but can't or won't use the internet ? I am sure there are a few.
 
MartynG said:
Are there really millions of UK resident boat owners who would like to register their boat on SSR but can't or won't use the internet ? I am sure there are a few.
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I worded my post carelessly..there are definitely millions of people in that category, but only a small minority will be computer-illiterate yacht owners wishing to sail abroad.
 
Birdseye said:
Might be but thats us working for them and not the way round it should be. Anyway, having found that my new to me boat cant just be transferred like the radio licence anhave to pay £35 for nothing at all - I will give the SSR a miss.

Why pay to transfer a boat and not to transfer a car?
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You are not "transferring" anything. You are registering your boat on the SSR in your name so that you can comply with international law if laving UK territorial waters. if you stay in the UK there is no need so it is entirely optional and if you need it why should you not pay for it? The MCA has no other source of income for registration other than registration fees so do you think that the general taxpayer should pay for you to have something that is only for your personal benefit?
 
Bru said:
Standard practice when Beta testing. You want a relatively small group of actual users actually doing what they need to do
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As a software professional I agree, but all the HMRC (and many other gov.uk sites) are permanently in beta mode.
I've sent them invoices for my work in testing their systems but I think their accounts payable must also be beta as I have yet to receive payment!
 
Ningaloo said:
...but all the HMRC (and many other gov.uk sites) are permanently in beta mode.
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I was just going to post this. The sceptic in me might suggest that it's used as a way of offsetting any issues/complaints...!!! :rolleyes:

I re-'claimed' my boat some time back, but have recently tried, unsuccessfully, to change my email address. This seems to be beyond the capabilities of the 'beta' system, at least so far as my experience goes!
 
Tranona said:
The MCA has no other source of income for registration other than registration fees so do you think that the general taxpayer should pay for you to have something that is only for your personal benefit?
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Hmm.
I hear you in terms of common sense administration but I'm wary of this view as it feels like we have to ask permission just to be citizens.

The government gets about 50% of what i earn, 20% of what i buy as a base line. In fact it is often a lot more than 20% . About 60% of what you pay at the fuel pump goes to the government. And so on.

Is it that much to ask that the government administrates how we pass through to other countries?
 
stu9000 said:
Hmm.
I hear you in terms of common sense administration but I'm wary of this view as it feels like we have to ask permission just to be citizens.

The government gets about 50% of what i earn, 20% of what i buy as a base line. In fact it is often a lot more than 20% . About 60% of what you pay at the fuel pump goes to the government. And so on.

Is it that much to ask that the government administrates how we pass through to other countries?
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There is a constant stream of bitches here about things that are entirely optional related to boating having charges attached - registration, ICCs, sail numbers etc as if they should be paid for either out of general taxation or by other peoples' subscriptions to the RYA. Why? Nothing to do with "paying to be citizens". As Bru says passports cost, driving licences cost, visas cost - what is so special about the minor bits of paper related to the entirely optional pastime of sailing that people think should be paid for by others rather than those who directly benefit from them.
 
stu9000 said:
Im not really pushing for free,,, but efficient would be a worthy goal. As for the minor bits of paper you cite, they relate to my right or otherwise to travel. So not minor.
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But everything you need to be able to travel as a person has a cost - why should it be different for a boat? I used the term minor because in the whole scheme of things it is -£7 a year, simple on line system (accepting the new system has teething problems) self declaration, no checks or inspection of you or your boat. Suggest you look at the hoops that citizens of other states have to go through in relation to owning a boat and travelling to other states have to go through and count your blessings.
 
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