Overtaking and being overtaken...

[swatchways]

After some advice please?

The location would be Walton Backwaters, where the channel cuts left on entering just after Island Point.
Swatchways is at the slower end of the spectrum than some, I appreciate that, but I am forever getting squeezed far too close for comfort by someone overtake us whilst trying to navigate this slightly (!) narrower part of the channel.
I suppose in essence I'm asking what I'm supposed to do here, as obviously we also have to turn the corner too, and I try to leave as much room as I can here, always keeping to right of the channel as much as I can to be consistent, but why do people still glare at me and try to squeeze us here? I don't want to have to do a large circle to go to the back of the queue every time just because we're slow, nor do I want to put my engine on as someone feels the need to squeeze us when we're sailing perfectly happily.
So, advice please? Am I totally wrong to keep right, or do I just need to get more comfortable with extremely close quarters overtaking?

 

[FullCircle]

Power gives way to sail, and also the overtaking vessel must keep clear. You have a right to be there, so they will just have to lump it.

 

[Saguday]

Quite

 

[swatchways]

Power gives way to sail, and also the overtaking vessel must keep clear. You have a right to be there, so they will just have to lump it.

I find it's generally a yachtie that gives a dirty look, and the mobo's generally keep well out of the way. I had a quite offensive mouthful from one lady!
Thanks for the responses though, time to develop a thicker skin clearly!

 

[leomagill]

I find it's generally a yachtie that gives a dirty look, and the mobo's generally keep well out of the way.

Thats not how I was expecting this thread to go, usually us mobo's are on the naughty step
I don't know the first thing about sticks and flappy things on boats so I have to ask how easy/hard is it to make a raggie go slower than it wants too? I know I just have to back off the throttles but it's gets awkward if I go too slow as I lose steering, just wondered how easy to slow a raggie.
I guess mobo's give you more room as we don't need the same depth as you.

 

[ianfr]

I had a quite offensive mouthful from one lady!

Lady ? I think not

The whole idea of sailing is to chill out and relax, just bad manners to barge past without consideration imho.

Regards

Ian

 

[Jomo]

Lady ? I think not

The whole idea of sailing is to chill out and relax, just bad manners to barge past without consideration imho.

Regards

Ian

+1

Ian (+1)

 

[tillergirl]

I guess Ian is right; bad manners to barge past. But I think his word consideration is the East Coast thing. By the rules, you maintain your course and speed. You were there first etc etc. On the other hand Leo has a valid point. My nieghbour's Mobo is a particular dog and at a certain speed a positive menace to all concerned slewing around like a, a , well a slewing thing. Of course the Mobo or indeed the yachtie coming up faster should anticipate and sort the speed much earlier to pass where the channel is wider or not turning. But being East Coast I think if sensible and possible its good to try to keep out of others way. After all in some places the gaps are quite narrow. It's the Solent sailors who do all this collison regs stuff.

On Saturday (perhaps foolishly since it was very busy) I was hoovering up some data in the channel up to the Leavings and North Channel at Tollesbury. I was doing a run back out well outside (probably 50m) the green cans when clearly a visitor coming in is trying to pass me port to port - putting him into contact with Cobs Island territory. In the end I did a 90 degree turn to go back into the marked channel where I did another 90 degree turn back. He followed suit. You could just say that he could see the red and green cans and so should have been able to work it out or maybe he's colour blind or has tunnel vision and missed or mistook the shape of the cans and assumed as I am a MAB that I was local who knew what he was doing (now there's a mistake!). He followed suit by the way. It wasn't very convenient (lost my track) but we are all supposed to be having fun.

What on earth provoked the abuse?

 

[ex-Gladys]

Power gives way to sail, and also the overtaking vessel must keep clear. You have a right to be there, so they will just have to lump it.

Just to be absolutely clear, one of the few parts of IRPCS that does not distinguish between power and sail is overtaking. The ONLY situation is that overtaking vessel ALWAYS keeps clear... so a sailing vessel ovetaking a mobo has to keep clear...

 

[swatchways]

What on earth provoked the abuse?

I think she'd taken the maintain course and speed to mean a straight line. I knew they were there, so I just kept to the right of the channel, but obviously had to make the turn to port. They squeezed through with one towards as well, and at this point came the mouthful about looking where I'm going, what's behind and "keeping in a straight line" if someone is overtaking me, along with some choice words about age and sailing ability!

 

[tillergirl]

Blimey!

 

[FullCircle]

Just to be absolutely clear, one of the few parts of IRPCS that does not distinguish between power and sail is overtaking. The ONLY situation is that overtaking vessel ALWAYS keeps clear... so a sailing vessel ovetaking a mobo has to keep clear...

Agreed, I wasn't making one exclusive or inclusive of the other.

 

[nigelm]

I think she'd taken the maintain course and speed to mean a straight line. I knew they were there, so I just kept to the right of the channel, but obviously had to make the turn to port. They squeezed through with one towards as well, and at this point came the mouthful about looking where I'm going, what's behind and "keeping in a straight line" if someone is overtaking me, along with some choice words about age and sailing ability!

Most probably the female concerned (i wont say lady) was feeling insecure with the situation and her own abilities and boat handling which led to the verbal outburst , you being the better person refrained from retaliation , was she alone on her boat ? , do you know if it was a local boat or a visitor ?.

 

[DanTribe]

Most probably the female concerned (i wont say lady) was feeling insecure with the situation and her own abilities and boat handling which led to the verbal outburst , you being the better person refrained from retaliation , was she alone on her boat ? , do you know if it was a local boat or a visitor ?.

That was my 1st thought also. That bit of water can be confusing if unfamiliar with it, and some people are likely to lash out at the nearest target when they become stressed.
Chill, and feel superior that you are in the right.

 

[swatchways]

That was my 1st thought also. That bit of water can be confusing if unfamiliar with it, and some people are likely to lash out at the nearest target when they become stressed.
Chill, and feel superior that you are in the right.

Local boat, on board with hubby driving and she was up front...

No worries - so long as I'm not being thick and flouting some sort of unwritten rule through there then I'll just keep plodding away like I am doing (we do plodding well... )

 

[Cobra]

Local boat, on board with hubby driving and she was up front...

Obvious then! You must have caused hubby to alter course thus disturbing said "laddette" from her sunbathing duties on the foredeck!

At the end of the day, in the situation you have described, overtaking boat steers clear end of!

You were right they were wrong...just hope they are reading this thread!!

 

[Simonpk]

Plod away Mr Swatchway, shame such people are out there, puts a downer on what would otherwise be a great day out.

It's up to them to anticipate what course the boats around them are likely to take & back off or go round with room to spare.

Handy to know which boat though.

 

[DanTribe]

Perhaps there is something in that patch of water that causes aggression.
I once got a mouthful from someone who veered across my bows causing me to go hard astern. As I went to pass behind him he veered back again. He then shouted at me that you have to pass the green bouys to starboard and the red ones to port, so I was doing it wrong and should get out of his .......ing way.






We were both heading out! He must have just read part of the book.
I just waved and smiled.

 

[FullCircle]

Perhaps there is something in that patch of water that causes aggression.
I once got a mouthful from someone who veered across my bows causing me to go hard astern. As I went to pass behind him he veered back again. He then shouted at me that you have to pass the green bouys to starboard and the red ones to port, so I was doing it wrong and should get out of his .......ing way.






We were both heading out! He must have just read part of the book.
I just waved and smiled.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Brilliant Dan. Made my day with the thought of someone slaloming down the fairway,

 

[swatchways]

Plod away Mr Swatchway, shame such people are out there, puts a downer on what would otherwise be a great day out.

It's up to them to anticipate what course the boats around them are likely to take & back off or go round with room to spare.

Handy to know which boat though.

He he, it's Miss... But thanks - I'll keep plodding!

Dan your story made me laugh out loud - good to know it's not just me that encounters the morons then!