Out She Comes!

[MYAG]

Thats interesting. Another new planing boat with stabilizers along with jfm's. Have you had stabilizers on a planing boat before or is this the first time?

I had chartered a similar type of boat that had these stabs fitted, loved them and made my mind up to specify them on a future boat should I be lucky enough to buy one. They are not cheap and are not a replacement for dry land stability but do make enough of difference to justify fitting them, IMHO.

 

[jfm]

i"d second that. I'm not a fan of their typical "sleek-regardless-of-functionality" style, but this is indeed a beautiful boat.

Ditto. That's a lovely looking boat MYAG, proper ship, many congratulations

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I had chartered a similar type of boat that had these stabs fitted, loved them and made my mind up to specify them on a future boat should I be lucky enough to buy one. They are not cheap and are not a replacement for dry land stability but do make enough of difference to justify fitting them, IMHO.

Are you planning to run the SS at displacement speed and is that why you fitted the stabs or are they mainly for use at anchor? I find this an interesting subject because until recently stabs were solely fitted to d and semi d hulled boats. In a few years time, I plan to buy a larger boat for more extended cruising and would like to do most cruising at d speeds but retain planing speed capability. The problem with semi d boats is that they use so much fuel at planing speeds so a planing boat with stabs that can operate comfortably at d speeds could be the answer.
Interested to see how you and jfm get on with the stabs

 

[MYAG]

i"d second that. I'm not a fan of their typical "sleek-regardless-of-functionality" style, but this is indeed a beautiful boat. Love the HT btw, very appropriate for a Med boat.
Just a question to MYAG, why MAN? The only reason I can think of - lower cost - isn't normally a big issue in the grand scheme of such purchases...

Thanks MapisM. No not cost, there were other cheaper options. Went for MAN cos I have mostly used them before and I have a very good (trading) relationship with MAN and their dealer network where I boat. Maybe not the technical reasons you were looking for but its is a diesel. Now, if it was a gas engine...........

 

[jfm]

Are you planning to run the SS at displacement speed and is that why you fitted the stabs or are they mainly for use at anchor? I find this an interesting subject because until recently stabs were solely fitted to d and semi d hulled boats. In a few years time, I plan to buy a larger boat for more extended cruising and would like to do most cruising at d speeds but retain planing speed capability. The problem with semi d boats is that they use so much fuel at planing speeds so a planing boat with stabs that can operate comfortably at d speeds could be the answer.
Interested to see how you and jfm get on with the stabs

It's all new territory for me mike and I'll be happy to report back next year, and compare notes with MYAG But I am planning to do some d-speed crusing and some planing, maybe 50/50. But for me "planing" is 20-23kts, not 27/28which i almost never do

My take on this is that a Y80 or Sq78 type boat is almost as good at d running as a trawler yacht type, but offers efficient high speed crusing when you want it. Best of both words. In contrast if you want to go fast in a semi-d type boat you plough a big trench and burn tonnes of fuel, and only do 19kts anyway. Plus Y80 and sq78 type have much better entertianing and lounging spaces than 80er semi-d or d boats, typically, and imho

 

[jfm]

MYAG, in view of your stabs working at anchor and being near the chine like mine, will s/s apply waterline decals saying "attention keep away from moving stab fins" or somesuch? Just curious. Fairline are thinking about this on mine, and i might do it anyway, but I'm not sure. The Pred 80-odd Champneys had them; I remember seeing her in Antibes a few years ago

The issue isn't your own guest party becuase if they have kids swimming you'd flick the stabs off. The risk is you are say having lunch with stabs on and a swimmer from another boat comes up close and gets thwacked. whaddya reckon and what are s/s proposing?

 

[MYAG]

Are you planning to run the SS at displacement speed and is that why you fitted the stabs or are they mainly for use at anchor? I find this an interesting subject because until recently stabs were solely fitted to d and semi d hulled boats. In a few years time, I plan to buy a larger boat for more extended cruising and would like to do most cruising at d speeds but retain planing speed capability. The problem with semi d boats is that they use so much fuel at planing speeds so a planing boat with stabs that can operate comfortably at d speeds could be the answer.
Interested to see how you and jfm get on with the stabs

That's exactly why I fitted them. At full pelt on the plane, they do not make so much difference, but at D, SD or at anchor they can make a lot of difference. How much difference I hear you say? Enough to make me want to spend north of 120k to have them fitted! You are welcome aboard anytime to try my ride with and without them working. I am confident you would have them. You get the best of both worlds.

 

[MYAG]

MYAG, in view of your stabs working at anchor and being near the chine like mine, will s/s apply waterline decals saying "attention keep away from moving stab fins" or somesuch? Just curious. Fairline are thinking about this on mine, and i might do it anyway, but I'm not sure. The Pred 80-odd Champneys had them; I remember seeing her in Antibes a few years ago

The issue isn't your own guest party becuase if they have kids swimming you'd flick the stabs off. The risk is you are say having lunch with stabs on and a swimmer from another boat comes up close and gets thwacked. whaddya reckon and what are s/s proposing?

I will have "NO STRAPS - NO SWIMMING" inside two inwardly facing arrows at each end to mark the area of danger. You should put something there too imo, as you say its not your guys........... but it never is, is it..........

 

[jfm]

I will have "NO STRAPS - NO SWIMMING" inside two inwardly facing arrows at each end to mark the area of danger. You should put something there too imo, as you say its not your guys........... but it never is, is it..........

Thanks. I hadn't thought of the "No straps" line. In fact, I'm not sure what it means but if it encourages girls to remove their bikini tops it must be a good thing

Next question: are you having it just in English or in Turkish too? I was thinking of French and English, but not sure. you wouldn't want a swimmer to sue you and say you were negligent in not making the warning in Turkish, and claiming the fact you had the warning in English = proof that you knew the warning ought to be made, Bit of a Wall St lawyer approach but you never know what craap you might have to deal with and they'll asume deep pockets of course

 

[BartW]

thank you for sharing this with us,
although I never was a fan of that shape, this really is a beautifull vessel,
your boat gives me another vieuw and opinion about SS

I like the hardtop, very well done

congratulations and good luck with her

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

That's exactly why I fitted them. At full pelt on the plane, they do not make so much difference, but at D, SD or at anchor they can make a lot of difference. How much difference I hear you say? Enough to make me want to spend north of 120k to have them fitted! You are welcome aboard anytime to try my ride with and without them working. I am confident you would have them. You get the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the invite! I might take you up on that in a couple of years time. Did you consider a gyro system before opting for the Trac or was the Trac system the only system SS would fit?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

It's all new territory for me mike and I'll be happy to report back next year, and compare notes with MYAG But I am planning to do some d-speed crusing and some planing, maybe 50/50. But for me "planing" is 20-23kts, not 27/28which i almost never do

My take on this is that a Y80 or Sq78 type boat is almost as good at d running as a trawler yacht type, but offers efficient high speed crusing when you want it. Best of both words. In contrast if you want to go fast in a semi-d type boat you plough a big trench and burn tonnes of fuel, and only do 19kts anyway. Plus Y80 and sq78 type have much better entertianing and lounging spaces than 80er semi-d or d boats, typically, and imho

Yeah we've had this discussion before but to an untrained eye like mine, many SD hulls look like medium/shallow V shaped planing hulls to me with a keel nailed on. They dont seem to have that much more if any volume of hull in the water than a planing hull and possibly, any extra stability/comfort at d speeds comes from having more weight rather than any particular attribute of the hull. Its only when you see a true d hull out of the water like a Nordhavn that you appreciate just how much more volume of hull a true d hull has in the water compared to sd and planing hulls.
So yes it will be interesting to hear reports from you and MYAG of passages carried out at d speeds with stabs on, particularly in lumpy conditions

 

[jfm]

So yes it will be interesting to hear reports from you and MYAG of passages carried out at d speeds with stabs on, particularly in lumpy conditions

Remembering of course Deleted User that one of the advantages of my/MYAG's boats is we can do 30kts if we want so can get away from bad weahter or get into port first to get the available slot, whereas a 10kt D boat has to endure whatever the weahter gods decide. So if a Sq78/Y80 cannot handle a big sea as well as a Nordhavn, that actually isn't the whole story ...

 

[capsco]

Thanks. I hadn't thought of the "No straps" line. In fact, I'm not sure what it means but if it encourages girls to remove their bikini tops it must be a good thing

Next question: are you having it just in English or in Turkish too? I was thinking of French and English, but not sure. you wouldn't want a swimmer to sue you and say you were negligent in not making the warning in Turkish, and claiming the fact you had the warning in English = proof that you knew the warning ought to be made, Bit of a Wall St lawyer approach but you never know what craap you might have to deal with and they'll asume deep pockets of course

NO SLINGS may make understanding easier than no straps yes???

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Remembering of course Deleted User that one of the advantages of my/MYAG's boats is we can do 30kts if we want so can get away from bad weahter or get into port first to get the available slot, whereas a 10kt D boat has to endure whatever the weahter gods decide. So if a Sq78/Y80 cannot handle a big sea as well as a Nordhavn, that actually isn't the whole story ...

I guess that'll depend on the range at planing speed. If you're on a passage which exceeds the range at p speed, then you're going to have to stay at d speed and take whatever the weather throws at you. But yes I agree with you; being able to outrun weather has always been one of the advantages of p boats. But it'll take some weather to make life uncomfortable on a stabilised 78 footer at whatever speed you choose

 

[sarabande]

the use of "pinch point" signs in industry, e.g. agriculture, fork lifts, JCBs, etc, is already covered by recognisable graphics

http://www.safetyhere.com/warning-signs/general-warning-signs/cat_348.html

and

http://search.store.yahoo.net/yhst-...0&submit=Search&vwcatalog=yhst-38637167768280


As the situation is fairly similar that of bulbous bows (which cannot sometimes be seen) and needs international recognition, perhaps a graphical solution is required rather than No Straps - whatever that means ?

 

[EME]

Stunning

I love it. The lines and general external feel are sleek yet somehow traditional.

Great to be reminded of why I keep working!

I've never quite taken to the aesthetics of HTs on FBs but have to confess that this looks brilliantly conceived and done and looks 'right'.

There are 2 drop-dead gorgeous boats on here going to LIBS. Reassuring to know that despite the well-documented troubles the boatbuilding industry has suffered that improvements and progress haven't stopped.

 

[MYAG]

NO SLINGS may make understanding easier than no straps yes???

Yes yes, you are spot on. Dont know why I wrote straps? This is a pic of a previous hull, I will have "NO SLINGS - NO SWIM"

 

[MYAG]

...................Next question: are you having it just in English or in Turkish too? I was thinking of French and English.......................

I have asked for it in english. I would have thought there would only be a requirement (if any) to have it printed in the language of your flag? Otherwise, where do you stop, could have any number of nationalities swimming past......

 

[MYAG]

...........Did you consider a gyro system before opting for the Trac or was the Trac system the only system SS would fit?

Trac is the only choice for this boat afaik, I didn't ask SS if they would fit a gyro system to the 80 cos I had ruled them out of my wishlist when I was deciding which boat to buy. They take up alot of room and you may need more than one depending on the size of boat. They also take up to 45mins to get to their full operating speed which I really didn't like. However they have some advantages, clean hull, safer, cheaper.